I wholeheartedly agree, and I really do hope this starts a change in the way labels and studios distribute their material. People want access to stuff as soon as it's available, that's often why people take to piracy (that and it being free), if more is done to provide a quicker, cheaper service piracy would change. The shame is that taking a site like megaupload down, which icefilms for example relied on, will undoubtedly hit the popularity of many US tv shows. A small hit perhaps, they don't even take internet ratings into consideration, but there's now less availability to non US audiences.
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I wholeheartedly agree, and I really do hope this starts a change in the way labels and studios distribute their material. People want access to stuff as soon as it's available, that's often why people take to piracy (that and it being free), if more is done to provide a quicker, cheaper service piracy would change. The shame is that taking a site like megaupload down, which icefilms for example relied on, will undoubtedly hit the popularity of many US tv shows. A small hit perhaps, they don't even take internet ratings into consideration, but there's now less availability to non US audiences.
Just seen a retweet on Anonops:
I don't think I've heard a single thing I don't like from Ron Paul... I'd be happy to see him as the next President - That's as long as he does what he says he will...
EDIT: Just realised this is a little off-topic - Back to Internet War 1
AnonOps Retweet said:
I don't think I've heard a single thing I don't like from Ron Paul... I'd be happy to see him as the next President - That's as long as he does what he says he will...
EDIT: Just realised this is a little off-topic - Back to Internet War 1
It's nothing like that
Food, petrol, heating can't be copied. They are consumables one way or another.
Downloading and copying files off the internet is totally different.
Why is it different? You don't download a film to have a 'copy' of it do you, and neither do the other millions of pirates. You download it because you can't be arsed to spend your hard earned money on going to see it in a cinema. It's exactly the same, you pay for luxuries in life, that's why we work, why should downloading a movie - that you'd otherwise have to pay for - be any different?
Regardless, my point was that using SOPA as a tool to argue against megaupload being taken down is ridiculous. The whole argument against SOPA is that it'll stop free speech and heighten censorship, or at least it's supposed to be. Nicking 'copies' of X-Men isn't anything to do with free speech and censorship is it.
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I can see this becoming more and more common wont be long then we will end up like the Chinese
Soldato
Sites have been getting closed down for years, this is hardly the first. Napster, Suprnova, Piratebay...
Not to mention all the child porn sites we never hear about. The internet has never been "uncontrolled".
Soldato
Statements like this always make me laugh:
"Lost revenue" implies that a sale would NEVER be made on the item in question. Just because people pirate, doesn't mean that they don't then buy said game/song/movie/album whatever.
The other thing that makes me laugh, is the MPAA claimed that VHS would be the death of the movie industry because of piracy. If only content providers learned how to make use of the internet properly, and if big bands would go it alone without massive record labels, things would be a lot better. People would finally learn that the internet can enhance their services not hinder them.
Whilst it's a shame to see Megaupload go, it would be interesting to know how much of their content was legitimate and how much was pirated. From a reliable source that is.
"Lost revenue" implies that a sale would NEVER be made on the item in question. Just because people pirate, doesn't mean that they don't then buy said game/song/movie/album whatever.
The other thing that makes me laugh, is the MPAA claimed that VHS would be the death of the movie industry because of piracy. If only content providers learned how to make use of the internet properly, and if big bands would go it alone without massive record labels, things would be a lot better. People would finally learn that the internet can enhance their services not hinder them.
Whilst it's a shame to see Megaupload go, it would be interesting to know how much of their content was legitimate and how much was pirated. From a reliable source that is.
Which tells you right away that the content industry hasn't learnt anything yet, their mindset is still stuck in the age where they could basically force you to do a merry little dance before they'll let you even peek at their stuff.
Kodak is going the way of the dinosaurs because they didn't keep with the times. The *IAA and associated companies are clutching at their old business model and trying to force legislation to artificially preserve it. As much as I disagree with copyright infringement in general, I'd be really happy to see the *IAA either change for the better or follow Kodak into history.
Soldato
Im telling you right now if you said to me for upto and maybe even more than £19.99 a month I could watch any show I wanted just after its aired in the usa from all the networks and say shove in a handful of movies I would gladly pay for it. The problem is there is not a package like that for those of us in the uk or even the usa there is no alternatives because all the silly networks wont sit down and work it out and produce one.
So until they stop being so damn stupid and give consumers what they want they can all get stuffed. Perhaps you need to get it into your head that the vast majority would gladly pay for it if we had the choice but we do not.
Soldato
Not being comparible to physical theft doesn't justify it. He may have picked lousy examples, but he's still right.
I've no sympathy for them, or the pirates throwing their toys out the pram. I pay for things I want, if I can't justify the price or service, I don't feel entitled to get it for nothing. I go without.
For the record I think SOPA is a terrible idea and support it in no way. Feeling entitled to someone elses efforts for free, digital or not is pathetic though.
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If I download something that I was never going to buy anyway, how are the publishers losing out? They aren't losing money they never would have got and they aren't losing the product because I've made a copy from it on the internet.
9/10 if something is worth buying then I'll buy it.
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Shame, I often used Megaupload to share save/map files for Minecraft.
Sorry but that's a terrible argument. Shall I pop into Tesco, open a Mars bar eat it and tell them I didn't like it so I don't have to pay? If you want to watch something, whether you would have watched it otherwise or not, pay for it. They are losing out because you've experienced their product for free, whether you enjoyed it or not.
Soldato
It's nothing like that
Food, petrol, heating can't be copied. They are consumables one way or another.
Downloading and copying files off the internet is totally different.
This.
There is effectively an unlimited supply of movies, music and games etc as they all exist as digital copies.
There is not an unlimited supply of TVs or food.
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That's not an equivalent argument at all. Where does this assumption that something pirated would be something bought if they couldn't pirate come from? It's completely baseless, and i think you'll find many artists are glad of a system where their work can reach a wider audience because of it, but those they really touch will always give them more than a decent wage.
Soldato
With you always going to physical property I'll humour you.
You go in to Tesco and take a bite out of a Mars Bar and say you didn't like it/there is something wrong with it. You'll get your money back.
Take games for example. Publishers for some strange reason now don't offer demos of games so you have to buy it and take the risk of it being crap. Not to mention the stupid amounts of DRM they install along with the game. (Ubisoft I'm looking at you). If you wanted to take a game back (something I never do because I'm always sure on my game purchases) then chances are, the retailer will tell you to **** off.
Piracy allows you to play a game and with me if it's any good I'll buy it so I can play online. Pirated games also remove the stupid restrictive DRM which allows you to install and play the game without any issues.
I'll say again. Until companies start providing a better service like Spotify/Steam then there will always be piracy.
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tbh i am glad its gone, all the times they make you wait to download files, and charging a premium for other users? about time!
Soldato
Loss of revenue is stealing something which costs money to make everytime you sell one. Like a TV, a physical hardware object, that costs a company a certain amount for each one they make.
Movies on the other hand, once you have made the film, don't cost anything to make. The content industry just keeps the prices artificially high by having stupid ideas like the Disney vault for DVDs. Why should I have to wait a year to be able to buy a certain movie just because Disney are greedy and want me to pay £20 for it when they "release" it.
I bought my brother a CD for Christmas. If I hadn't have downloaded it illegally in the first place I wouldn't have known about it myself so I wouldn't have bought it for him. So what the music companies need to do is increase the frequency of occasions where it is necessary to give gifts and then their profits will increase. Simplez.