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Good, the amount of rubbish that was on there was unbearable, pop up galore, if that was the only available link to something, I made damn sure there wasn't an alternative before using it.
 
In an ideal world, hulu-type or a similar website would exist and all networks would provide their amazing content (TV Shows) pretty much instantly available and they would charge a fair fee for access to this site, available worldwide, and the user would accept an advert here and there.

As for movies, worldwide releases is key, ticket prices have to be dropped (£12.85 for imax!) and accept that viewing at home is more and more appealing to the customer so allow streaming through a centralised/shared service with the other movies companies for a reasonable price!

Home owner ship can still happen after the release has been aired for several weeks.

meh! thats my fantasy 2p.
 
It's a tired old argument.

Some people state that piracy is taking money away from companies/people, others say that it makes no difference, because the pirates probably wouldn't have paid for said product in the first place, then the others say that piracy helps the market because you pay them back via other means i.e. merchandise which you're more inclined to buy if you're a fan of something, which may not have been the case without piracy.


1 thing is that when people are looking at statistics, they take "1 million of x were downloaded" as "1 million lost sales: 1,000,000* x price for the product = x amount of money lost" which it isn't.
 
AmTechFox said:
In an ideal world, hulu-type or a similar website would exist and all networks would provide their amazing content (TV Shows) pretty much instantly available and they would charge a fair fee for access to this site, available worldwide, and the user would accept an advert here and there.

As for movies, worldwide releases is key, ticket prices have to be dropped (£12.85 for imax!) and accept that viewing at home is more and more appealing to the customer so allow streaming through a centralised/shared service with the other movies companies for a reasonable price!

Home owner ship can still happen after the release has been aired for several weeks.

meh! thats my fantasy 2p.
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This is what the content industry SHOULD be doing, but for some reason still hasn't realised how many people would pay for it! It's insane. The people who run these businesses are so outdated and in the past, it's kind of scary. Especially for an industry which supplies entertainment. You would have thought they would embrace technology to distribute their products. They certainly embrace it to make terrible 3D movies!
 
Everyone justifying piracy is missing a salient point.

If everyone does it there will be no incentive to produce new content at all.

If it has 'no effect' then why don't we all do it?

Because we're not all thieves and some us actually believe in paying for things legitimately. It's the payers that keep things in business and ticking over, pirates are just leeches.

You want something? Work for it and pay for it. If you're worried you wont like it do your research.

And yeah, I'm not whiter than white either, I've streamed the odd low quality movie in my time and downloaded emulators from dead consoles, but never downloaded any current movies or games, etc.


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madindehead said:
This is what the content industry SHOULD be doing, but for some reason still hasn't realised how many people would pay for it! It's insane. The people who run these businesses are so outdated and in the past, it's kind of scary. Especially for an industry which supplies entertainment. You would have thought they would embrace technology to distribute their products. They certainly embrace it to make terrible 3D movies!
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The only reason I can think of why they haven't done it is because it will put lots of retailers out of business. I'm surprised Blockbuster are still around.
 
Wolfe777 said:
Everyone justifying piracy is missing a salient point.

If everyone does it there will be no incentive to produce new content at all.

If it has 'no effect' then why don't we all do it?

Because we're not all thieves and some us actually believe in paying for things legitimately. It's the payers that keep things in business and ticking over, pirates are just leeches.

You want something? Work for it and pay for it. If you're worried you wont like it do your research.

And yeah, I'm not whiter than white either, I've streamed the odd low quality movie in my time and downloaded emulators from dead consoles, but never downloaded any current movies or games, etc.


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You act as if people pirating are a majority; They're not.
 
People pirate because a) it's cheap b) it's convenient. If it wasn't for Napster, we'd all still be paying £16 a CD album and having to trek into town every time we wanted to buy music.

iTunes, Netflix et. al exist because someone recognised there was a market for reasonable prices and convenience. Now if only Big Content could get their heads around that one properly.
 
madindehead said:
I never said it didn't take HUGE resources to make a movie. Where are you getting that from?

I just think that movie studios could afford to make money the way the semiconductor industry does: you sell more items, for less money.

Yes, a lot of people pirate because they want something for free. Others pirate because they simply can't afford it. Others pirate because they can't get it (be it regional restrictions or it's not available anymore). All I am saying is:

SOME of the causes of piracy can be eliminated. But you can never fully eliminate piracy. Because people will always want something for free. The only thing can do is try to reduce it, by providing a good service. Movies available via digital distribution at reasonable prices. That's all it takes. They did it with music, and I'm pretty sure that's working...
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I never said you didn't, it's my example of the very real resources it costs to produce something.

And I agree with you in many ways, that's a potentially decent solution, but you think itunes etc, has stopped music piracy?

Hardly.

If movies were 10p a shot people would still pirate them - people are greedy.

Piracy is more a problem of a self entitled generation who will justify theft with the feeblest and most selfish of excuses. Yeah in small does it doesn't really hurt, but if it becomes endemic it will harm all creative industries, and to an extent it already has.


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Wolfe777 said:
Piracy is more a problem of a self entitled generation who will justify theft with the feeblest and most selfish of excuses. Yeah in small does it doesn't really hurt, but if it becomes endemic it will harm all creative industries, and to an extent it already has.
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Where is this harm? The movie studios report record profits every year. Album sales have rose steadily over the past decade (until the recession). And the US content industry has lower redundancy rates than most other industries. They can't prove it's doing them damage.
 
Aedus said:
You act as if people pirating are a majority; They're not.
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Luckily people on benefits aren't a majority either - yet a small minority does a hell of a lot to ruin it for the honest workers in terms of tax, etc.

And I think you'll find that in much of the developing world, such as China, pirates WILL be the majority.


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Another dagger in the chest of free speech yet there are still millions of drones jumping to defend it because of their political indoctrination. Time to wake up.
 
Wolfe777 said:
I never said you didn't, it's my example of the very real resources it costs to produce something.

And I agree with you in many ways, that's a potentially decent solution, but you think itunes etc, has stopped music piracy?

Hardly.

If movies were 10p a shot people would still pirate them - people are greedy.

Piracy is more a problem of a self entitled generation who will justify theft with the feeblest and most selfish of excuses. Yeah in small does it doesn't really hurt, but if it becomes endemic it will harm all creative industries, and to an extent it already has.


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Oh yeah, you definitely cannot stop piracy. I never said they could

What a I said was, you can REDUCE piracy which is caused by music/games/movies whatever not being available.

There are plenty of people willing to pay for their entertainment, and plenty more who would pay if the service was better. I'm not saving all piracy would stop. But it might be reduced. iTunes definitely hasn't stopped music piracy. Steam hasn't stopped game piracy. But I bet they have converted some pirates who always had the money, but didn't like the hassle.


Wolfe777 said:
Luckily people on benefits aren't a majority either - yet a small minority does a hell of a lot to ruin it for the honest workers in terms of tax, etc.

And I think you'll find that in much of the developing world, such as China, pirates WILL be the majority.
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Wow. You just gave us a scary insight into your mentality there. Saying things like that about people on benefits just shows you are ignorant. Not everyone on benefits is "ruining it for the honest workers". That however, is off topic.
 
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reflux said:
iTunes, Netflix et. al exist because someone recognised there was a market for reasonable prices and convenience. Now if only Big Content could get their heads around that one properly.
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My share dealing account has a high % invested in Netflix will all OCUK forum members subscribe & tell all your family & friends! :)

But seriously it is the way forward and if Block Buster and brick & mortar businesses go to the wall then so be it. Things do change.
 
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