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MegaUpload has been shut down
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Take 1 candy eat it you have 0 candies
Take 1 music track copy it you habe 2 music tracks no one lost anything
How hard is it? Cmon download does not equal a sale
Take 1 music track copy it you habe 2 music tracks no one lost anything
How hard is it? Cmon download does not equal a sale
Because it's their property and it's up to them what they do with it?
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It's limewire all over again !
Enjoy your game of whack a mole US government
Enjoy your game of whack a mole US government
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So you are glad that instead of having to wait a HUGE 60 seconds, you now can't download from there at all? Strong logic.
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I still fail to see any legitimate justification for pirating content that people have placed time and funding into without permission. Not sure if you'll like something and unprepared to risk it? Don't buy it.
Even with services like Steam and Spotify, high value content with good service behind it gets pirated to hell and back. It's getting something for nothing that attracts the majority you'll find, better service is a flimsy excuse at best.
Even with services like Steam and Spotify, high value content with good service behind it gets pirated to hell and back. It's getting something for nothing that attracts the majority you'll find, better service is a flimsy excuse at best.
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Pirates will always find a way, this really has only hurt legit people who used megaupload, due to its popularity, i find it nothing more than a handsome scapegoat to try and save PIPA and SOPA, they will probably use "evidence" from MUs servers to regain some support, i find it far beyond a coincidence for it to happen right after support for the bills fell.
Too bad that ultimately they just shot themselves in the foot.
Any pirate that has any intelligence just names their files randomly, as to get by filters and so on, so every single site on the internet is breaking the law (simply because you cant really tell if a site has it on or not, doesn't seem to matter).
Too bad that ultimately they just shot themselves in the foot.
Any pirate that has any intelligence just names their files randomly, as to get by filters and so on, so every single site on the internet is breaking the law (simply because you cant really tell if a site has it on or not, doesn't seem to matter).
I'm not assuming people would buy stuff if there wasn't an alternative, but that's my point. If I don't see the value in paying for some experience in life, I don't experience it, and nor should I. If one day I decide I DO want to have that experience, I go out and pay for it. Why is a song or a movie any different? Whether I would otherwise listen to/watch it is irrelevant.
It's something we'll have to agree to disagree on, but my feeling is that whether I would otherwise pay for something or not, if I want to have access to it I know I have to spend money on it.
Because that's how the world works? You get a job, you earn money, then you spend it on stuff. What has how long you have to wait for it got to do with it? If you want a service you should have to pay for it, if you don't see value in the cost or length of time it takes you to get it why does that mean it should suddenly become free?
Megaupload - Stream Brand New Movies or TV episodes from the states - Chill Out
Cinema - Movies sometimes upto 2 months behind the usa - Expense to drive to location - Expensive Ticket - Noisy People - Popcorn Noise - Heads in the way.
If they offered a service where by we could watch new movies and tv episodes without having to go to the cinema or wait months after the usa. I'd gladly pay and legally.
Cinema - Movies sometimes upto 2 months behind the usa - Expense to drive to location - Expensive Ticket - Noisy People - Popcorn Noise - Heads in the way.
If they offered a service where by we could watch new movies and tv episodes without having to go to the cinema or wait months after the usa. I'd gladly pay and legally.
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I never said it should become free. I'm saying it should be available faster or immediately, not when people want us to have it. It's a supply issue.
That point about the Disney vault creates piracy. Say a kid wants a movie which is in the Disney vault and is currently NOT allowed to be on sale. Because that's how it works. They put movies away, and NO ONE is allowed to sell them. Yes, it's their property, and they can do what they want with it. But, it's only used as a tactic to keep prices of the movies artificially high.
If a kid wants that movie, what does a parent tell them "Sorry, you can't have it because a greedy corporation wants you to buy it when it's full price again, and they totally re-realise it". If they didn't have these stupid artificial limits on things which can effectively be unlimited, one side of piracy could be cut down. A lot of movies/games etc are pirated because they are simply no longer available. I'm not condoning peoples actions. I'm just saying, the content industry brings on some of the problems themselves.
How "unlimited" would the supply be if no one got paid for producing it? At least in terms of new content?
I think you'd find it extremely limited indeed.
Producing content like movies is incredibly hard work that usually requires massive investment finely calculated to maximize profits based upon the accepted model that people pay for the product.
How much food in just the catering alone from crew members, etc, is paid for to produce a movie? Just because the end result can be duplicated without requiring physical resources it doesn't mean physical resources werent used to create that product.
If everyone adopts the 'I'll just download it and let others pay' policy then pretty soon we won't see any more movies, games or music being produced, or at least at such great expense with high quality productions.
Habitual pirates are no better than long term benefits claimants - they both let others pay their way through life and it's the pirates that are ruining all the true freedom of the internet, because without it big business would not be concerned with shutting down sites that also have legitimate uses.
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How much impact does piracy have on the industries?
I thought that these companies still make ~huge profits.
I thought that these companies still make ~huge profits.
That I agree on. I said earlier, or at least tried to, that I hope this actually kick starts some change in the way labels and studios think about their distribution. People want things quicker and cheaper, and in a lot of cases cheaper is the most important, and it's about time there was a service that provided that.
While actors live in mansions and have huge swimming pools while telling everyone else to Donate to the Africa Appeal
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Exactly, how many of these entertainment companies have filed for bankruptcy. They still make massive profits but like everything in life greed takes a hold and people want more and more. By the way I don't condone getting things for free. I pay for games and films etc.
Just look at Disney Pixar. If you make good films, you do well.
The people that would pay, still do.
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It's all part of the NWO !
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Everyone still goes to the cinema to see these films so the studios still make massive profits. They'd make even more profit if they provided a better distribution service. £20/£30 a month to stream and watch any HD movie.
They'd make millions more.
They'd make millions more.
Anyone with any sense has been arguing that basic principle ever since Sean Parker and his band of evil-doers rolled into town over ten years ago. Unfortunately, the majority of the US legislature, bound by intensive lobbying and a "you will do what we want, because we are paying you" strategy by the record and movie companies, are happy to continue to treat the internet as if it was a product of the 1950s.
Piracy is a problem, fair enough. But the content industries have failed to prove that it causes job losses or impacts their profits. In fact, they have simply been proven to exaggerate figures and make up facts to suit their own agenda. They have their hooks in a US government that is made up of many people who don't understand the nature of the internet and what it means for modern society. These people have views grounded in old fashioned intellectual property legislation and the old-fashioned business models the content industries still insist on peddling - and unfortunately for the majority of the public, haven't woken up and smelt the winds of change yet.
Let's see sensible, not draconian copyright enforcement based on laws that are drafted by people who know what they're talking about. Let's also see a sensible approach to competing against piracy, by offering sensibly priced legal services with a good range of content. That's how you beat piracy.
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I never said it didn't take HUGE resources to make a movie. Where are you getting that from?
I just think that movie studios could afford to make money the way the semiconductor industry does: you sell more items, for less money.
Yes, a lot of people pirate because they want something for free. Others pirate because they simply can't afford it. Others pirate because they can't get it (be it regional restrictions or it's not available anymore). All I am saying is:
SOME of the causes of piracy can be eliminated. But you can never fully eliminate piracy. Because people will always want something for free. The only thing can do is try to reduce it, by providing a good service. Movies available via digital distribution at reasonable prices. That's all it takes. They did it with music, and I'm pretty sure that's working...