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MegaUpload has been shut down
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Soldato
there you go doing exactly what you accuse the creative industries of doing, you saying this specific group of individuals are to rich to notice and ignoring the thousands of people on much lower paid jobs in the industry I seriously doubt the woman who makes the tea for the set hands is quite as well off.
If your going to have a dig at the industry for generalisations like assuming each download is a sale and ignoring the fact that illegal downloading can actually boost legit sales then you can't expect to be taken seriously when you post tosh like that.
Yep, I was just being a bit of an arse, really, because I felt like it.
I do get your point. 
Anyways back OT - all these companies need to do is look at the example set by Steam in the gaming industry. Provide a legal method of acquiring stuff easily and at the right price point and you instantly wipe out a large proportion of piracy (although you will never eradicate it completely, and the only ones left will be those who'd never buy it anyway).
In fact, Steam should think about branching out into movie rental. That'd be awesome.
You're scared of an analogy? I thought you Scots were supposed to be tough?
Anyway, of course not all people on benefits are leeches, but a massive amount are. Just like there's a massive amount of mass pirates that are nothing more than leeches spoiling it for the rest of the honest payers, so the analogy is on topic and apt. Restrictive DRM and this invasive harassment of the internet is a direct cause of pirating. Just like increased taxes and social problems are a direct cause of people abusing the benefits system.
Anyway, I'm actually in agreement with you with most of your points, so you resorting to insults is hardly helping your argument.
As you have stated Steam is a great example of how media should be legally distributed - new releases available at full price with periodic sales to benefit bargain hunters at apt times and a highly convenient service that makes piracy a far less attractive proposition.
And to all the people saying "movies are crap so I won't pay", why do you think they are playing it so safe with formulaic crap?
At least partially because piracy is preventing any kind of risk taking for fear of losing profits, in an ideal situation movie studios get a lot of money back that they can invest heavily back into new productions. A lot of 'good' movies don't make much money and are largely funded by the success of blockbusters.
The last time Hollywood had a truly thriving indie scene was in the early to mid 90's at time when movies could be made safe in the knowledge that they could be expect to receive their money back in the form of ticket and video sales - yes you could pirate videos but it was far less prevalent and required investment in equipment, etc.
TLDR version.
If you pirate, you're a thief. Simple as that, whichever way you seek to justify it.
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not sure if already posted
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment
wow, that is a lot of data.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment
wow, that is a lot of data.
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Cartels and bribery are just as bad though.
Soldato
and let me guess two wrongs make a right?
Why? What is the alternative? Just bend over and take it?
Contradictory and intrusive law the industry has paid for is not a way to win popularity. Give some middleground and i'd happily compromise.
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Soldato
You're scared of an analogy? I thought you Scots were supposed to be tough?
Anyway, of course not all people on benefits are leeches, but a massive amount are. Just like there's a massive amount of mass pirates that are nothing more than leeches spoiling it for the rest of the honest payers, so the analogy is on topic and apt. Restrictive DRM and this invasive harassment of the internet is a direct cause of pirating. Just like increased taxes and social problems are a direct cause of people abusing the benefits system.
Anyway, I'm actually in agreement with you with most of your points, so you resorting to insults is hardly helping your argument.
As you have stated Steam is a great example of how media should be legally distributed - new releases available at full price with periodic sales to benefit bargain hunters at apt times and a highly convenient service that makes piracy a far less attractive proposition.
And to all the people saying "movies are crap so I won't pay", why do you think they are playing it so safe with formulaic crap?
At least partially because piracy is preventing any kind of risk taking for fear of losing profits, in an ideal situation movie studios get a lot of money back that they can invest heavily back into new productions. A lot of 'good' movies don't make much money and are largely funded by the success of blockbusters.
The last time Hollywood had a truly thriving indie scene was in the early to mid 90's at time when movies could be made safe in the knowledge that they could be expect to receive their money back in the form of ticket and video sales - yes you could pirate videos but it was far less prevalent and required investment in equipment, etc.
TLDR version.
If you pirate, you're a thief. Simple as that, whichever way you seek to justify it.
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so you would actually mind if someone got to your drive way copied your car and left - there would no loss for you nothing at all.. not even a single bit of damage..
yet if they come to the driveway take your car and you lose your car it will be exactly the same ? no damage at all?
i mean really whats not to understand its the same thing
Soldato
How the hell can people still compare piracy to real world theft 
As i was just talking about on another forum, if music and films weren't so god damn over priced i would have more of my collection bought than not bought. But as it stands that's just not going to happen.
As i was just talking about on another forum, if music and films weren't so god damn over priced i would have more of my collection bought than not bought. But as it stands that's just not going to happen.
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If they had sued them and taken them to court it would have gone on for years and megaupload would have won because they are acting within the legal framework that exists. So instead of suing them they raided their property and seized their assets this way they shut the site down and it could take years before they get back to normal, if they ever do. They will tie the assets up in the legal battle and it will go on for years.
But it is the whole guilty until proven innocent that is wrong with this case.
there are some sites on the net that sole purpose is illegal pirating but megaupload attempted to get away with being a legal website and this is what annoyed them the most imo. When they made the song and then went on to sue universal, that was the final straw for them. Then they just pulled some strings and hired some guns, the rest is history.
But it is the whole guilty until proven innocent that is wrong with this case.
there are some sites on the net that sole purpose is illegal pirating but megaupload attempted to get away with being a legal website and this is what annoyed them the most imo. When they made the song and then went on to sue universal, that was the final straw for them. Then they just pulled some strings and hired some guns, the rest is history.
Right price point? Steam?
As i said above commonly steam is more expensive than ordering a retail copy
I do appreciate the convenience of using the DL service but tbh don't want to at times pay a 50% premium for it. Especially considering the amount of times all you do is whack the CD key into steam And before we all jump in I know it's not team setting prices but the publishers, maybe just MAYBE if the prices were in any way relational to the retail copies and they werent chargeing ridiculous amount for "DLC" that is sometimes released only a few days after release and even included on RETAIL discs! We might see some change?
They need to change their ideas of how content can be delivered and the pricing structure certainly needs looked into, but hey if you goto an iMax and pay throught the nose they thank you for supporting the UK film industry
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Sales and specials!
But as you say, they have their hands tied at the moment due to the fear of undercutting and killing off high street retailers.Proper iMax is worth it for the experience btw! Bog standard cinema is overpriced and usually not a great experience.
I was one of the few that used it for legal purposes (distributing audio from various talks that are held by the people I'm distributing it to) and this has created a bit of a headache for me. I just hope it doesn't set a precedence for ceasing all open distribution.
I'd say it was proved guilty despite being innocent. It's hypocracy.
Soldato
so you would actually mind if someone got to your drive way copied your car and left - there would no loss for you nothing at all.. not even a single bit of damage..
yet if they come to the driveway take your car and you lose your car it will be exactly the same ? no damage at all?
i mean really whats not to understand its the same thing
I wouldn't be bothered but I'm sure Ford would be more than a little upset at someone getting an exact copy of their design and engineering for free and that really is the example here. I wouldn't really care if a friend came round and copied all the music off my server, it would annoy me slightly that I paid for it all and they are getting it for free off the back of my hard work. I can of course see how this would massively annoy the music companies even if my friend would only have purchased 1% of the music legit that is still lost sales and they want all the sales possible to max their profits like any business.
The argument that 1 download = 1 sale is obviously flawed but so is the argument that a lot seem to be putting forward on here that 1000 downloads /= any lost sales when obviously the answer is somewhere in the middle. Piracy is clearly costing the creative industries in terms of lost sales but not at the 1:1 ratio they claim.
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Soldato
The guilty inocent thing is tricky, especially if you take the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law. It is clear that the majority of Meguploads activity is the uploading and downloading of pirated material (I don't think anyone is seriously contesting this) and while it maybe legally dubious to take them down the fact that they were profiting massively from the indirect distribution of vast amounts of pirated material is also legally dubious.
It's the whole two wrongs making a right argument again, but I really don't see how anyone thinks the death of mega upload is a serious blow for freedom of the interent. If the US government were targetting twitter and other such services that allow individuals and groups the platform to express themselves I would be concerned. I can't seem to get myself all upset over them turning off lots of peoples free movie and pron pipe.
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No item has been stolen?
No goods have been removed from the person.
The owner has not been deprived of any item.
If the film/music industry are using dinosaur age methodologies, why cant we?
Soldato
An American law called ICE that lets them seize (again without due process) American domain names.
That's how as it was Megaupload.com
Soldato
The unavoidable fact is that times have changed - pretty much anything that can be turned into 1's and 0's can be obtained for free, regardless of if the intention is to make money from it. Either you can turn off the internet (lol) or you can work with it. What we have are a lot of cats who have gotten fat when their business models worked for the times they lived in, when people couldn't just sit at a computer and access stuff from anywhere in the world, and now that times have changed, they're still stuck in the past.
It's a fact of life that people online or otherwise, generally follow the method of least resistance to get the things they want (online shopping, supermarkets vs lots of little shops to get the same stuff, IKEA vs getting a carpenter to do, Mac App Store vs getting a box with a CD on it from a physical store) it and so on) so, if you go out of your way to make pirating a film easier or more preferable than paying to see it at the cinema or having some method of watching it at home on release, then people are going to do that and that's currently what a lot ARE doing.
Therefore you can either go all Internet Big Brother, which is the kind of thing these lobbyists want to slide towards with their bills, or you can adapt to the digital age and change your business model to one which is successful. People have been pirating since time immemorial, the issue isn't the online tools they use (which can and are used for perfectly legal purposes), but why people pirate in the first place.
We've already seen that if providers offer content online in a nice, easy to use, efficient service that works and is priced for a global audience then people are going to use it and there's a lot of money to be made. I'm sure Angry Birds has made more money than a lot of successful movies combined, and that's something that was a 69p iPhone game originally. Lessons to be learned etc.
It's a fact of life that people online or otherwise, generally follow the method of least resistance to get the things they want (online shopping, supermarkets vs lots of little shops to get the same stuff, IKEA vs getting a carpenter to do, Mac App Store vs getting a box with a CD on it from a physical store) it and so on) so, if you go out of your way to make pirating a film easier or more preferable than paying to see it at the cinema or having some method of watching it at home on release, then people are going to do that and that's currently what a lot ARE doing.
Therefore you can either go all Internet Big Brother, which is the kind of thing these lobbyists want to slide towards with their bills, or you can adapt to the digital age and change your business model to one which is successful. People have been pirating since time immemorial, the issue isn't the online tools they use (which can and are used for perfectly legal purposes), but why people pirate in the first place.
We've already seen that if providers offer content online in a nice, easy to use, efficient service that works and is priced for a global audience then people are going to use it and there's a lot of money to be made. I'm sure Angry Birds has made more money than a lot of successful movies combined, and that's something that was a 69p iPhone game originally. Lessons to be learned etc.