They removed copyright material as requested. I don't think they can do much more.
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They removed copyright material as requested. I don't think they can do much more.
Funnily enough I don't remember them going this crazy when people used to tape the charts off the radio or when people used to make mix tapes and direct copies on their hi-fis. Piracy was pretty prolific back in the 80s and 90s but it was never really talked about.
Oh, and copying games was pretty simple too by the same method!
Oh, and copying games was pretty simple too by the same method!
Soldato
the most annoying thing in my eyes is that they count 1 download as 1 lost sale which is just stupid
plus they are fighting the wrong way to fight something as convenient as piracy you need to offer something MORE convenient and cheap and easy which is also use while it wont stop the piracy it will sure as hell generate a lot of profits for them to recover the so called "lost sales" Didn't the music industry get something like 2p from every blank tape sold?
Guess that was enough to satisfy, they get nothing at all for downloads.
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What if kodak started to sue all the digital camera manufactures and started raiding all the memory card manufactures claiming loss of future profits due to camera IP ?
i saw an article on torrent freak a while back that showed that the most pirated movies of the year were also the biggest grossing movies of the year as well. There is also the argument that the piracy promotes the content as well. There was a lecture years ago when bitorrent first started that claimed that when BSG first started it was pirated with torrents and people started watching it in countries that it had not been released yet and when it was finally released there, due to the word of mouth of people that had pirated it, it had the highest ratings for first episode ever.
i saw an article on torrent freak a while back that showed that the most pirated movies of the year were also the biggest grossing movies of the year as well. There is also the argument that the piracy promotes the content as well. There was a lecture years ago when bitorrent first started that claimed that when BSG first started it was pirated with torrents and people started watching it in countries that it had not been released yet and when it was finally released there, due to the word of mouth of people that had pirated it, it had the highest ratings for first episode ever.
Sales and specials!But as you say, they have their hands tied at the moment due to the fear of undercutting and killing off high street retailers.
Proper iMax is worth it for the experience btw! Bog standard cinema is overpriced and usually not a great experience.
Aye fair does Re:highstreet, but even then online retailers are often far cheaper, I honestly can't remember the last thing I actually bought on the highstreet rather than order online.
Proper iMax is definatley worth trying but I feel theyre milking it a bit tbh.
Even standard cinema tickets here are ~£9 you can nigh on buy new BR releases for that!
Then we get into the whole "cinema experience" and how theyre starting to prevent people taking even their own snacks/drinks in now, on top of the horrendous costs of the items they actually sell at the cinema, this surely won't be helping? All these little things are what are driving people AWAY from the cinema and obviously some apper to be turning to piracy. But ofc It's Piracy thats the cause not all the things that are making people turn to it.
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Excellent news.
What?
Thats not something I've heard of, can you shed light or links please?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-21-the-boy-who-stole-half-life-2-article
Very good read.
oh yes, been saying for a while governments won't let copyright infringement continue. Itll be a long slog. But sites will be shut down and in a few decades people thoughts on the subject will change.
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the most annoying thing in my eyes is that they count 1 download as 1 lost sale which is just stupid
Agreed. It can't be emphasised enough just how dumb this argument is from the entertainment industry. I've downloaded films that I certainly wouldn't have bought anyway. It's the digital equivalent of watching a film at a mates house that you'd never buy yourself.
If they want to increase sales then they need to drop their prices and make downloading films as convenient as possible, so no DRM. It's worked for music and there's no reason it wouldn't work for films too. Drop the price to £5 for a 1080p download that you can do what you like with and watch sales rise.
TBH i used to pirate almost everything.I remember downloading HL ep2 yet buying TF2 which i regret but i have not downloaded a single game since steam started holiday sales.
I got crysis 2 for xmas for 8.99 from the rainforest as well and most of the big titles now i simply wait a year and pay under £10 while my mates on the ps3 fork out £40 and the big cops make millions.For a low paid worker thats a days work for one game!
There is too much money being made and i dont care what u selfish cap's say about right to profit.Profit is not bad but excessive billions IS.Who the hell needs a ferrari? a yacht? 1K bottle of champs? How could anyone morally live the life of riley while the rest of the world is in poverty?
I also had to download the A-team recently on divx and while i pay for lovefilm £9.99 pm 2x at a time universal are still so greedy and are lovefilm that they cant agree on prices and have pulled all thier releases.
So i have to download all of thier big movies and i feel no shame as they offer no HD legal alternative.
This is what will happen after SOPA.Prices will stay the same yet the will hammer anyone who dares cut into thier mega profits no matter how much bubbles burst or blow up they will always be greedy for more.It will get so bad that the queue for sites trying to appeal will be so backlogged it could be years before a site can get back online.
What can you do once its law? The wait times will kill your site and once u create a new one you will be simply shut down again.And who pays the fees for all these court cases? hollywood or taxpayers?
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I got crysis 2 for xmas for 8.99 from the rainforest as well and most of the big titles now i simply wait a year and pay under £10 while my mates on the ps3 fork out £40 and the big cops make millions.For a low paid worker thats a days work for one game!
There is too much money being made and i dont care what u selfish cap's say about right to profit.Profit is not bad but excessive billions IS.Who the hell needs a ferrari? a yacht? 1K bottle of champs? How could anyone morally live the life of riley while the rest of the world is in poverty?
I also had to download the A-team recently on divx and while i pay for lovefilm £9.99 pm 2x at a time universal are still so greedy and are lovefilm that they cant agree on prices and have pulled all thier releases.
So i have to download all of thier big movies and i feel no shame as they offer no HD legal alternative.
This is what will happen after SOPA.Prices will stay the same yet the will hammer anyone who dares cut into thier mega profits no matter how much bubbles burst or blow up they will always be greedy for more.It will get so bad that the queue for sites trying to appeal will be so backlogged it could be years before a site can get back online.
What can you do once its law? The wait times will kill your site and once u create a new one you will be simply shut down again.And who pays the fees for all these court cases? hollywood or taxpayers?
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Not surprising. People see an awesome movie at the cinema. It's then available to download before it's released on DVD/BD then people will buy it then because they want a copy of it.
Whilst it's true that prices, in many ways, are perceived as being too high for media, the complaint that high ticket prices at the cinema 'force' people to pirate is very poor justification indeed.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of products that people think are too highly priced; from designer clothes to luxury food - does that justify stealing them?
Of course not.
The physical properties argument holds no water either, as has been stated, it takes very real physical resources to produce media - that plainly represents their intrinsic physical value.
What's more cinemas actually make very small profit margins - that could be attributed to studios charging too high a price for the right to screen films, but for whatever reason that's the current going rate.
People are acting like media content is a God given right. It's a LUXURY, if you can't afford it you shouldn't feel it's still your absolute right to have it for free just because you don't like paying for it.
And this is a vicious circle because pirates push up the price for the honest consumer, arguably more than any other factor.
I personally greatly appreciate the stealth punishments that some games deal out to pirates, from the wonky cape in Arkham Asylum to the giant pink Scorpion in Serious Sam 3. Both games I legitimately paid for in Steam, but both at a sweet price in a sale.
I didn't want to pay full price either, so I waited until they were on sale, it's not as if there aren't legit ways to pay less. It's just that pirates have a twisted set of morals and an idea the world somehow owes it to them.
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There are hundreds, if not thousands of products that people think are too highly priced; from designer clothes to luxury food - does that justify stealing them?
Of course not.
The physical properties argument holds no water either, as has been stated, it takes very real physical resources to produce media - that plainly represents their intrinsic physical value.
What's more cinemas actually make very small profit margins - that could be attributed to studios charging too high a price for the right to screen films, but for whatever reason that's the current going rate.
People are acting like media content is a God given right. It's a LUXURY, if you can't afford it you shouldn't feel it's still your absolute right to have it for free just because you don't like paying for it.
And this is a vicious circle because pirates push up the price for the honest consumer, arguably more than any other factor.
I personally greatly appreciate the stealth punishments that some games deal out to pirates, from the wonky cape in Arkham Asylum to the giant pink Scorpion in Serious Sam 3. Both games I legitimately paid for in Steam, but both at a sweet price in a sale.
I didn't want to pay full price either, so I waited until they were on sale, it's not as if there aren't legit ways to pay less. It's just that pirates have a twisted set of morals and an idea the world somehow owes it to them.
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Soldato
What they will do is simple push people onto decentralised networks (Freenet etc). As has already proved with the growing use of Tor!
Then what will the Gov do??
Try shutting them down, or monitoring internet.
Just becuase it's decentralised doesn't mean ypthey can't do anything, it just makes it harder.
Like monitor heaviest users and charge them. If its encrypted request encryption key, not forth coming arrest them for that.
Soldato
What?
Whilst I don't agree with them crying over lost sales which can affect their pay cheques, I think it's ridiculous you call them selfish for enjoying their cars and yachts. They are in well paid jobs and have no doubt worked for it. They will also pay a hell of a lot of taxes which helps funds other things like benefits, fire and police stations etc.
Are you saying they should all give up their millions of dollars and live like your average joe because they are selfish??
LizardKing they will make those illegal too like pirate radio lol.It will never stop.
They would have the internet like china if we let them.The only reason its not the same is they know that we would fight too hard and probably win.This way with efforts like SOPA they can break us down bit by bit.
We are already divided on this which is what they want.Its should not be about if its right or wrong to steal we know the answer.We also know why people steal but thats not been discussed is it? Why dont we start having people pushing about inequality as much as SOPA is pushing about piracy?
I think the issue on this topic is really about internet censorship.A place where goverments and men are equal and we are free from thier zealous controls.Stealing can still be prosecuted without SOPA.
But as i said thats just a cover for the real issue.Censorship and control of information.Wikileaks springs to mind here as well.They will be alble to shut that down even faster with SOPA.
They would have the internet like china if we let them.The only reason its not the same is they know that we would fight too hard and probably win.This way with efforts like SOPA they can break us down bit by bit.
We are already divided on this which is what they want.Its should not be about if its right or wrong to steal we know the answer.We also know why people steal but thats not been discussed is it? Why dont we start having people pushing about inequality as much as SOPA is pushing about piracy?
I think the issue on this topic is really about internet censorship.A place where goverments and men are equal and we are free from thier zealous controls.Stealing can still be prosecuted without SOPA.
But as i said thats just a cover for the real issue.Censorship and control of information.Wikileaks springs to mind here as well.They will be alble to shut that down even faster with SOPA.
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But the problem for them would be if more and more users started using anonymous encrypted traffic, it gets exponentially harder for Governments to do this.
All these industries are going to have to change sooner or later, the music and film industries have notoriously top heavy wage structures that don't properly reflect who puts the hard work in.
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Actually, this is where you are wrong. If I can't afford a pair of designer jeans and I elect to steal them from the shop then the shop has lost a pair of jeans that would have created a profit for the store.
If I download a movie that I couldn't afford to go to the cinema to see, then nobody actually loses out. I don't occupy a seat in the auditorium that could have been taken by a paying customer. The cinema doesn't lose a sale because I didn't have the money for the ticket in the first place.