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Are you saying they should all give up their millions of dollars and live like your average joe because they are selfish?

Millions or million? If highly talented i might let them have a million... But millions? 100% yes.Wake up mate people dont even have running water yet you think its fine they get millions,billions or trillions if the rothchild banking family.

If i won 10m the lotto tomorrow i would buy a house and enough to keep myself comfy for a lifetime.I would give away most of it as i could never look myself in the mirror when what i have could support maybe 5000 familys or something stupid.

Infact its stupid u even had to question if its right or wrong.

They will also pay a hell of a lot of taxes which helps funds other things like benefits, fire and police stations etc.

They pay less tax than the bottom workers by %.One of the richest men in america recently said he paid little tax he would be prepared to pay a lot more.They rarely pay tax as most of it is in offshore accounts.
 
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Millions or million? If highly talented i might let them have a million... But millions? 100% yes.Wake up mate people dont even have running water yet you think its fine they get millions,billions or trillions if the rothchild banking family.

If i won 10m the lotto tomorrow i would buy a house and enough to keep myself comfy for a lifetime.I would give away most of it as i could never look myself in the mirror when what i have could support maybe 5000 familys or something stupid.

Infact its stupid u even had to question if its right or wrong.

LOL.

Bull ****.
 
Millions or million? If highly talented i might let them have a million... But millions? 100% yes.Wake up mate people dont even have running water yet you think its fine they get millions,billions or trillions if the rothchild banking family.

If i won 10m the lotto tomorrow i would buy a house and enough to keep myself comfy for a lifetime.I would give away most of it as i could never look myself in the mirror when what i have could support maybe 5000 familys or something stupid.

Run along then, help your 5000 families for a couple of years. Hope you don't regret it when you realise it was all futile.
 
Try shutting them down, or monitoring internet.
Just becuase it's decentralised doesn't mean ypthey can't do anything, it just makes it harder.

Like monitor heaviest users and charge them. If its encrypted request encryption key, not forth coming arrest them for that.


You cant shut down something that isn't there, unless they tracked down every node in every country it would simple be impossible. I do believe freenet is quite healthy in China. you cant even get the encryption keys as they are constantly changing.


The industry has been playing cat and mouse with pirating since the inception of media, you'd think by now they would have learnt something!
 
You cant shut down something that isn't there, unless they tracked down every node in every country it would simple be impossible. I do believe freenet is quite healthy in China. you cant even get the encryption keys as they are constantly changing.
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You can track and charge the users which which also impacts the network. A few high profile cases and most normal people will come into line.
 
They pay less tax than the bottom workers by %.One of the richest men in america recently said he paid little tax he would be prepared to pay a lot more.They rarely pay tax as most of it is in offshore accounts.
Errr no.



the top 1% of earners in the uk pay 25% of the TOTAL income tax revenue.


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the bottom 10% pay less than 1% of the total income tax...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8417205.stm
 
Millions or million? If highly talented i might let them have a million... But millions? 100% yes.Wake up mate people dont even have running water yet you think its fine they get millions,billions or trillions if the rothchild banking family.

If i won 10m the lotto tomorrow i would buy a house and enough to keep myself comfy for a lifetime.I would give away most of it as i could never look myself in the mirror when what i have could support maybe 5000 familys or something stupid.

Infact its stupid u even had to question if its right or wrong.

They pay less tax than the bottom workers by %.One of the richest men in america recently said he paid little tax he would be prepared to pay a lot more.They rarely pay tax as most of it is in offshore accounts.

Can you raise your voice a bit, it's difficult to hear you all the way up there on your horse.
 
Errr no.



the top 1% of earners in the uk pay 25% of the TOTAL income tax revenue.


46940074blastlandtax146.gif



the bottom 10% pay less than 1% of the total income tax...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8417205.stm

Granted he's taking **** but that's the UK.

The US where all these horrible horrible people with their millions of the poor families money spending it on hookers and coke and other unnecessary pleasures will be slightly different.
 
Actually, this is where you are wrong. If I can't afford a pair of designer jeans and I elect to steal them from the shop then the shop has lost a pair of jeans that would have created a profit for the store.

If I download a movie that I couldn't afford to go to the cinema to see, then nobody actually loses out. I don't occupy a seat in the auditorium that could have been taken by a paying customer. The cinema doesn't lose a sale because I didn't have the money for the ticket in the first place.



No you're wrong and I even explained so in my very post you've quoted from.

These media creations take a massive investment of physical resources to create, the fact that they require no physical resources to duplicate is irrelevant.

It's still less money going back to the creators, less money to invest in new projects and if everyone did it there'd be no media created at all, or at least of any quality.

Do we really keep having to go back to this point as justification for theft?

If you didn't have the money for it but took it anyway it's theft, but in that instance you don't steal from the cinema, you steal directly from the creators.

Pirates do anything to justify their theft, yet will likely be the first to moan about a lessening quality and budget for games and movies as a direct result of their selfish actions.

Not being able to afford it is irrelevant too - if you take something for nothing that's on sale elsewhere because you can't afford it, you steal it, whatever it's provenance or physical properties or lack thereof.


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Whilst it's true that prices, in many ways, are perceived as being too high for media, the complaint that high ticket prices at the cinema 'force' people to pirate is very poor justification indeed.

I wasn't trying to attempet to add jsutification, just reasoning which you've actually added onto further down ;)

It's certainly not helping the situation, especially say family with 3 kids and the young uns all want to see the "summer hits" that easy £50 in tickets to start with, most will look at this with a why bother attitude and just DL it.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of products that people think are too highly priced; from designer clothes to luxury food - does that justify stealing them?
Of course not.

People still do *shrug*

The physical properties argument holds no water either, as has been stated, it takes very real physical resources to produce media - that plainly represents their intrinsic physical value.

They haven't been deprived of the physical resources in order to produce the item either.

What's more cinemas actually make very small profit margins - that could be attributed to studios charging too high a price for the right to screen films, but for whatever reason that's the current going rate.

Heres the bit I was mentioning, the cinema may have relatively small margins, if however it is due to studios charging them through the nose in order to screen a movie then surely this is a contributing factor to the "cinema experience" cost that needs to be looked at?

People are acting like media content is a God given right. It's a LUXURY, if you can't afford it you shouldn't feel it's still your absolute right to have it for free just because you don't like paying for it.

Part fo the problem, 80/90's as referenced too earlier were prolific for piracy yet nothing really ever seemed to get done about it.

Multi deck VCR's, Multi deck tape players, Radio to casette, your friends speccy game to a blank tape.

Some And this is a vicious circle because pirates push up the price for the honest consumer, arguably more than any other factor.

Yes Piracy is a problem, however there are multiple factors to it, I disagree Piracy is the main one. The attitude towards consumers is imho

I personally greatly appreciate the stealth punishments that some games deal out to pirates, from the wonky cape in Arkham Asylum to the giant pink Scorpion in Serious Sam 3. Both games I legitimately paid for in Steam, but both at a sweet price in a sale.

Even more amusing when people start kicking off on the official forums about a bug theyre facing :p

I didn't want to pay full price either, so I waited until they were on sale, it's not as if there aren't legit ways to pay less. It's just that pirates have a twisted set of morals and an idea the world somehow owes it to them.

Most games within a few weeks of release now are <£15 unfortunatley people are inpatient. There other ways to pay yes, liek the russian keys and stuff. But then the publisher then goes and blocks a valid key as they decide your country should pay more? Same with prices on steam £/€/$ seem to be at some randomly invented exchange rate and as above theyre not decided by steam/valve but by the publishers of the game.
 
I belive he was refering to the USA and the executives at the top of the big media organisations.

Not a media exec, but Mitt Romney's 15% tax rate


I wont even argue.It it funny how the personal attacks come once someone stands up against all the bs out there.I think most of you are too full of yourself and your entitlement's to **** over others in life.

Im on a high horse for having morals... wow :confused:

You should try taking off your rose tinted glasses once in a while and find a new source other than the BBC.

And PS to the person who made the graph.Is that with the new 50% tax rate they are crying and kicking thier heels about?
 
Millions or million? If highly talented i might let them have a million... But millions? 100% yes.Wake up mate people dont even have running water yet you think its fine they get millions,billions or trillions if the rothchild banking family.

If i won 10m the lotto tomorrow i would buy a house and enough to keep myself comfy for a lifetime.I would give away most of it as i could never look myself in the mirror when what i have could support maybe 5000 familys or something stupid.

Infact its stupid u even had to question if its right or wrong.



They pay less tax than the bottom workers by %.One of the richest men in america recently said he paid little tax he would be prepared to pay a lot more.They rarely pay tax as most of it is in offshore accounts.

It's their money. If they choose to give some of it away to help others (which, other than tax) they are under no actual need to do so, then well done to them, it was nice of them to do so. If they don't, well then nobody really can tell them off, as it's their money, so why should anybody else get to choose what they do with it?
 
No you're wrong and I even explained so in my very post you've quoted from.

These media creations take a massive investment of physical resources to create, the fact that they require no physical resources to duplicate is irrelevant.

It's still less money going back to the creators, less money to invest in new projects and if everyone did it there'd be no media created at all, or at least of any quality.

Do we really keep having to go back to this point as justification for theft?

If you didn't have the money for it but took it anyway it's theft, but in that instance you don't steal from the cinema, you steal directly from the creators.

Pirates do anything to justify their theft, yet will likely be the first to moan about a lessening quality and budget for games and movies as a direct result of their selfish actions.

Not being able to afford it is irrelevant too - if you take something for nothing that's on sale elsewhere because you can't afford it, you steal it, whatever it's provenance or physical properties or lack thereof.


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So if I go in to a art gallery and paint a copy of a painting (not for sale purely for my own use) I should be charged with stealing the painting?
 
I wont even argue.It it funny how the personal attacks come once someone stands up against all the bs out there.I think most of you are too full of yourself and your entitlement's to **** over others in life.

Im on a high horse for having morals... wow :confused:

You should try taking off your rose tinted glasses once in a while and find a new source other than the BBC u muppet.

Wait, what's wrong with the BBC? One of the better sources out there. You need to realise what you're talking about here...

There's been no personal attacks here, just people disagreeing with your absurd viewpoint. Which, as it happens, is what happens on a discussion based forum.
 
I didn't want to pay full price either, so I waited until they were on sale, it's not as if there aren't legit ways to pay less. It's just that pirates have a twisted set of morals and an idea the world somehow owes it to them.

And people like yourself who are completely against piracy even those with perfectly valid reasons, don't have a twisted set of morals?

Waits for the reply of " what valid reasons, list them " and the cycle repeats! :o

People who are against Piracy in any shape of form get on my wick :/
 
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