err if you had actually read it you'd have realised the source is HM Revenue and Customs... you know the tax office.
also i like how you have a go about personal attacks when you use them yourself.....
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err if you had actually read it you'd have realised the source is HM Revenue and Customs... you know the tax office.
also i like how you have a go about personal attacks when you use them yourself.....
I wont even argue.It it funny how the personal attacks come once someone stands up against all the bs out there.I think most of you are too full of yourself and your entitlement's to **** over others in life.
Im on a high horse for having morals... wow
You should try taking off your rose tinted glasses once in a while and find a new source other than the BBC.
And PS to the person who made the graph.Is that with the new 50% tax rate they are crying and kicking thier heels about?
It's because you wrote 'u' instead of 'you'.
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I wont even argue.It it funny how the personal attacks come once someone stands up against all the bs out there.I think most of you are too full of yourself and your entitlement's to **** over others in life.
Im on a high horse for having morals... wow
You should try taking off your rose tinted glasses once in a while and find a new source other than the BBC.
And PS to the person who made the graph.Is that with the new 50% tax rate?
No one attacked you? Everyone just thinks you are ****ing deluded that if you had 10 million pounds sat in your bank, you'd just give the majority of it away which will end up tossed down a black hole never to be seen again.
Where exactly would you donate it to anyway? People on benefits? Africa?
The right to fair payment for the product they funded, produced and offered for viewing via legitimate means on the proviso that individuals pay for their services rendered.
The concept of paying for things is pretty much the entire basis of the law and society. The fact that it lacks a physical property is of no consideration here.
Anyway, I'm not trying to utterly condemn pirates, as crimes go it's pretty low on the scale, but it's still theft, it's still a crime, and one that punishes the honest payers to boot.
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To get pedantic, isn't it legally NOT theft?
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Do I owe him some money now???
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Nope, it's not theft and it's not a crime.
it's copyright infringement and it's a civil offence.
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First, i agree with you.
But what they have 'lost' in a very figurative sense is the ability to get you to pay for their work. But that means the onus is on them to better convince or deliver their work to you.
You have not taken anything from them, just hindered/deprived them of the ability for them to get you to pay for their work ( depending on if you go on to purchase further work, or the origional work you pirated).
Just to add, the ''you's'' are just their for the explination, not accusing you of anything, it seems where all speaking in hypotheticals again...
That fullstop is copyright infringement someone else just used it and you copied it, 10,0000 jobs were lost in the stealing of that fullstop
I think trying to argue that nobody is loosing out, because you wouldn't have bought it, or gone to see it in the cinema is silly.
Firstly, the fact that you downloaded it, suggests you at least had enough interest to want to see/listen to it anyway. If it really didn't interest you enough to warrant paying for it, you wouldn't have obtained it illegally.
There are plenty of places you can read and see reviews for things like films and games these days, so the argument that "I wouldn't have gone to see it in the cinema, because it's not worth it" doesn't wash with me, if you then go and get it illegally.
Finally, while you can say that you wouldn't have paid for it anyway, that's your opinion. For everyone of you, there may be 10 other people who said "I'd like to see that, but I'll do so for free".
Firstly, the fact that you downloaded it, suggests you at least had enough interest to want to see/listen to it anyway. If it really didn't interest you enough to warrant paying for it, you wouldn't have obtained it illegally.
There are plenty of places you can read and see reviews for things like films and games these days, so the argument that "I wouldn't have gone to see it in the cinema, because it's not worth it" doesn't wash with me, if you then go and get it illegally.
Finally, while you can say that you wouldn't have paid for it anyway, that's your opinion. For everyone of you, there may be 10 other people who said "I'd like to see that, but I'll do so for free".
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That is completely wrong.
out of curiosity do you watch the advert breaks on tv or do you skip them/change channel/leave the room to make tea etc?
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That is slightly different as an origional painting has an inherent value that a copy does not and you are also not talking about an exact copy. What you would probably have is a derivative work and then depending on copyright rules in the country you made your painting you would either be ok or in breach of copyright.
Basically what I'm saying is it is impossible to make an exact copy of an origional because no matter how exact it is it will never be the origional so cannot be enjoyed in the same way, unlike a song or movie.
You should really have used the analogy of taking a copy of a photo from a website and using it for your personal needs and yes clearly in this case you should pay for the privaledge if the photographer wants paying. It's funny how most people would get upset if someone else was using copies of there photos without there permission but think it is ok to pirate music and movies.
I hope our childrens generation look back and see how selfish and greedy a lot of our generation were.
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Errr no.
the top 1% of earners in the uk pay 25% of the TOTAL income tax revenue.
the bottom 10% pay less than 1% of the total income tax...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8417205.stm
ROFLMAO
The top 1% are the biggest TAX evaders in the U.K, to the grand sum of 80+ BILLION each year!
Unless you enjoy your art through X ray, and chemical analysis machines there are many counterfeits that exist that you would never be able to tell the difference.
Ahem, tax evasion and tax avoidance are completely different things. I think you have your terminology mixed up.