Memory Prices hit all time bottom!!

WJA96 said:
Well, the great thing about this is it only takes 12-14 weeks to see who's right. ;)

Hi there

Well from price trends in the past it means we have both been right as there have been times when memory has been at its cheapest Winter/Spring and then gone through the roof in pricing during the Summer, this is fact as its happened. Memory prices generally change more to do with demand or lack of demand, not whether its Christmas or Summer.
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

Well from price trends in the past it means we have both been right as there have been times when memory has been at its cheapest Winter/Spring and then gone through the roof in pricing during the Summer, this is fact as its happened. Memory prices generally change more to do with demand or lack of demand, not whether its Christmas or Summer.

But you couldn't deny that there is a massive oversupply at the moment and if my spies in Korea and Taiwan are correct, the manufacturers are waiting for the opportunity to ditch further stockpiles onto the marketplace. They can't cut prices too much in one hit, because if they did they could be accused of 'Dumping', but they are in a massive oversupply situation at the moment. It will be interesting to see what does happen. At the moment I'm afraid my wallet is staying firmly shut.
 
WJA96 said:
But you couldn't deny that there is a massive oversupply at the moment and if my spies in Korea and Taiwan are correct, the manufacturers are waiting for the opportunity to ditch further stockpiles onto the marketplace. They can't cut prices too much in one hit, because if they did they could be accused of 'Dumping', but they are in a massive oversupply situation at the moment. It will be interesting to see what does happen. At the moment I'm afraid my wallet is staying firmly shut.

Hi there

Supply is certainly not at issue at the moment, but its not like the prices are gonna half from what they are now. They still will drop but only by a small amount as the prices are already reaching close to their bottom.

I mean things won't get much cheaper than $70 for a 2GB DDR2 kit and $40 for a 1GB DDR2 kit, or even $20 for a 512MB DDR2 module, which is roughly current pricing in the far east. So things might drop further but only a little. :)
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

Supply is certainly not at issue at the moment, but its not like the prices are gonna half from what they are now. They still will drop but only by a small amount as the prices are already reaching close to their bottom.

I mean things won't get much cheaper than $70 for a 2GB DDR2 kit and $40 for a 1GB DDR2 kit, or even $20 for a 512MB DDR2 module, which is roughly current pricing in the far east. So things might drop further but only a little. :)

If you take your prices as being FOB Keelung then add on a touch for the various taxes and transport (incl. VAT) and you're looking at about £20-£25/Gb in the UK so they could still drop by as much as 20% before they hit Taiwanese prices. The price shifts are usually higher on the lower spec. stuff, but I have said before I think you'll be able to buy 4Gb PC6400 5-5-5-15 as 2 2Gb sticks in the summer for £140 delivered. It may not get there - it could go up, but that's where I think it's going to bottom out and I think the RAM futures traders might even say I'm being conservative.
 
Because memory has been a commodity for quite some time, its pricing will work in cycles. Those who play with commodities use this cyclical movement to make a killing. Gambling works better when you’ve nailed down as many cyclical movement “indicators” as possible. It’s like the alignment of the planets. Unless you are into the memory price game big time, you’ll won’t know enough of the nuances that affect prices or else every TD&H will be rolling in money. Such cyclicals, when tracked and back-tested over, say, 15 years, should give the “big-time dabbler” a high-ish [60-75%] chance of success every time he plays the options. This year, it’s been different and Vista is a possible “indicator” that was not there in previous years and won’t be again for quite sometime, if ever, should MS’s wet dreams of achieving a perpetual income scheme to licensing OS comes to fruition.

In the buying game, always buy when you need it, not should you need it, unless you are a spectulator and prices then will have very little to do with your decision because then, you are out of the cycle of screwing and be screwed. If everyone does that, speculation in just about anything, will be at a minimum and people can then enjoy their lives as Nature intended, not as “entreprenuers” dictate. A pat on the back for Gibbo/Spie and Crucial’s “involuntary discharge” has nothing to do with any excuse other than “market forces”.
 
Cir108 said:
Because memory has been a commodity for quite some time, its pricing will work in cycles. Those who play with commodities use this cyclical movement to make a killing. Gambling works better when you’ve nailed down as many cyclical movement “indicators” as possible. It’s like the alignment of the planets. Unless you are into the memory price game big time, you’ll won’t know enough of the nuances that affect prices or else every TD&H will be rolling in money. Such cyclicals, when tracked and back-tested over, say, 15 years, should give the “big-time dabbler” a high-ish [60-75%] chance of success every time he plays the options. This year, it’s been different and Vista is a possible “indicator” that was not there in previous years and won’t be again for quite sometime, if ever, should MS’s wet dreams of achieving a perpetual income scheme to licensing OS comes to fruition.

In the buying game, always buy when you need it, not should you need it, unless you are a spectulator and prices then will have very little to do with your decision because then, you are out of the cycle of screwing and be screwed. If everyone does that, speculation in just about anything, will be at a minimum and people can then enjoy their lives as Nature intended, not as “entreprenuers” dictate. A pat on the back for Gibbo/Spie and Crucial’s “involuntary discharge” has nothing to do with any excuse other than “market forces”.
At least 2 Major discounts come into play here at least especially when hundreds of items come into purchase if not thousands, but I'm not willing to discuss that, I've worked as a buyer so I know what I'm talking about. I havent dealed within the PC market but in other trades end of year rebates come into play as well - the more you sell the more rebate companys aquire. This is how companys like OcUK can push the prices down as well, especially as Micron have lowered the prices across the board.
 
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Nelly said:
At least 2 Major discounts come into play here at least especially when hundreds of items come into purchase if not thousands, but I'm not willing to discuss that, I've worked as a buyer so I know what I'm talking about. I havent dealed within the PC market but in other trades end of year rebates come into play as well - the more you sell the more rebate companys aquire. This is how companys like OcUK can push the prices down as well, especially as Micron have lowered the prices across the board.

This sort of thing is rife in the new car trade too. As the dealership looks like it may hit the next band of rebates, so the salesmen are told to give away all the margin on the number of cars required to hit that rebate/bonus point so all the cars become more profitable - even the last 3 or 4 sold effectively at cost.

It's an interesting concept, but if you can still find somewhere undercutting one retailer then it would suggest that there is still too much margin being taken ;)
 
Cir108 said:
Because memory has been a commodity for quite some time, its pricing will work in cycles. Those who play with commodities use this cyclical movement to make a killing. Gambling works better when you’ve nailed down as many cyclical movement “indicators” as possible. It’s like the alignment of the planets. Unless you are into the memory price game big time, you’ll won’t know enough of the nuances that affect prices or else every TD&H will be rolling in money. Such cyclicals, when tracked and back-tested over, say, 15 years, should give the “big-time dabbler” a high-ish [60-75%] chance of success every time he plays the options. This year, it’s been different and Vista is a possible “indicator” that was not there in previous years and won’t be again for quite sometime, if ever, should MS’s wet dreams of achieving a perpetual income scheme to licensing OS comes to fruition.

In the buying game, always buy when you need it, not should you need it, unless you are a spectulator and prices then will have very little to do with your decision because then, you are out of the cycle of screwing and be screwed. If everyone does that, speculation in just about anything, will be at a minimum and people can then enjoy their lives as Nature intended, not as “entreprenuers” dictate. A pat on the back for Gibbo/Spie and Crucial’s “involuntary discharge” has nothing to do with any excuse other than “market forces”.

There's some semblance of analysis gone into that but when it comes right on down to it - the market is the market is the market and right now the RAM market is weak.
 
I remember a post about 3 months ago that encouraged all of us to buy our RAM NOW as the price was going to go through the roof ;) .
 
fraseredwards said:
who's still holding their nerve then ? :D

In what way? I've just bought 2 4Gb PC6400 Patriot kits from a competitor for £180 each but I actually needed to buy 2 RAM kits so I would have bought them price-drop or not. It's just a bonus that the price has dropped.
 
WJA96 said:
In what way? I've just bought 2 4Gb PC6400 Patriot kits from a competitor for £180 each but I actually needed to buy 2 RAM kits so I would have bought them price-drop or not. It's just a bonus that the price has dropped.

in what way? - holding out for the lowest price point possible
 
WJA96 said:
In what way? I've just bought 2 4Gb PC6400 Patriot kits from a competitor for £180 each but I actually needed to buy 2 RAM kits so I would have bought them price-drop or not. It's just a bonus that the price has dropped.

how do they clock?
 
Not very well. But they don't need to clock, they just have to do 400/800MHz to match up to my 3.6GHz Q6600's :D
 
WJA96 said:
So who's still holding their nerve with GeIL PC6400 ULL at £67 for 2Gb? ;)

Not so much holding my nerve, just trying to work out how well they'll clock on a DS3 as I'd really like 950Mhz-ish...
 
WJA96 said:
So who's still holding their nerve with GeIL PC6400 ULL at £67 for 2Gb? ;)

I'm seriously considering it but the imminent arrival of P35 and DDR3 is just preventing me pulling the trigger at the moment. Want to see if the C2D prices are stable now also.

However an E6600, 2Gb of the Geil, and a couple of fast hard drives would be a ludicrously cheap upgrade at the moment.
 
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