Metal Gear Solid 4 Review Database

wedgie said:
That's because the PS2 was still the daddy last gen, things are different this time. However many copies MGS4 sells on PS3, it would be pretty much guaranteed to sell more on the 360 due to the increased install base.
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Don't quite agree with that. Think most Xbox players only interested in Xbox first person shooting games only. They only want Halo or Gear of War and will talk down the shooting experience of MGS.

Haven't they already expressed themselves by putting in the hard work making the MGS VS GOW2 video?
 
This is only a small factor but probably influenced Kojimas decision to go PS3, the PS3 sales in Japan absolutely destroy the 360 sales there, with himself being Japanese, Konami being Japanese and 90% of the staff who worked on the game Japanese, it would make sense to keep it on PS3, at least for now.

I still believe they will release it on 360 at some point though, purely for the extra cash, I don't think that would be a Kojima decision, but rather a Konami decision.

Who knows, thats just my opinion.
 
wiltonson said:
Don't quite agree with that. Think most Xbox players only interested in Xbox first person shooting games only. They only want Halo or Gear of War and will talk down the shooting experience of MGS.

Haven't they already expressed themselves by putting in the hard work making the MGS VS GOW2 video?
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Why you gave a third person shooter as an example when talking about FPS I'll never know. People said DMC4 wouldn't sell on 360, but it did, outsold the PS3 version. People said GTA4 wouldn't sell as much because it was a 'playstation game', but it did. Neither of those are FPS.
 
My mistake with typing, watching a movie, eating lunch and surfing the web at the same time.

I still doubt many xbox users will be keen on MGS. Haven't we already read comments comparing Halo or GOW2 against MGS4? They are just different type of games and shows 360 fans won't be bother trying out MGS4. Halo3 achieved a breaking sales record only because majority of 360 fan base are into third person shooter and FPS. Imagine how many wii fans will be interested in Halo3 or MGS4 games?

DMC4 and GTA4 simly sells more because there are more 360 consoles out there when the games are launched on both platforms around the same time.

Obviously, if MGS4 is launched on 360 and PS3 simultaneously, the 360 sales will be much higher. But this isn't the case now right ?
 
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wiltonson said:
My mistake with typing, watching a movie, eating lunch and surfing the web at the same time.

I still doubt many xbox users will be keen on MGS. Haven't we already read comments comparing Halo or GOW2 against MGS4? They are just different type of games and shows 360 fans won't be bother trying out MGS4. Halo3 achieved a breaking sales record only because majority of 360 fan base are into third person shooter and FPS. Imagine how many wii fans will be interested in Halo3 or MGS4 games?

DMC4 and GTA4 simly sells more because there are more 360 consoles out there when the games are launched on both platforms around the same time.

Obviously, if MGS4 is launched on 360 and PS3 simultaneously, the 360 sales will be much higher. But this isn't the case now right ?
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Im sorry I just can't see what evidence you have to support that view. Many games sell on 360 that aren't FPS or Third person shooters (love how you've changed your statement now ;)) and MGS4 would sell as well. Its different with the wii because the fanbase is drastically different where as the 360 and PS3 fanbases have a lot of crossover.
 
Are gametrailers high when they score games? lol.

Halo 3 Story - 9.6
Assassins creed story 9.7
MGS4 Story - 8.7

Someone please remind me what Halo 3's story was?
 
Shamikebab said:
Im sorry I just can't see what evidence you have to support that view. Many games sell on 360 that aren't FPS or Third person shooters (love how you've changed your statement now ;)) and MGS4 would sell as well. Its different with the wii because the fanbase is drastically different where as the 360 and PS3 fanbases have a lot of crossover.
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I see why you guys don't understand.

My thinking -
Lets assumed MGS4 does comes out in 2 years time on the 360, how many 360 owners will actually go and buy it? Not many isn't? because those very keen on MGS4 would have bought the PS3 and finished it now (including 360-only-owners). Those that ignored MGS4 now obviously has no interest (or little interest). So these gamers are likely to be the one that might buy the MGS4 in 2 years time. Obviously I believe the majority of 360 owners are FPS fans (with Halo3 sales as evidence) so those 360-only-owners that will buy the MGS4 in 2 years time are minority of the total 360-only-owners. So that's why I think this will end up with poor sales as MGS2 on the Xbox.

Your thinking-
If MGS4 is launched on both console at the same time (becos you compare DMC4 and GTA4). In your case, yes I believe MGS4 fans will go and buy the 360 version instead of PS3 simply because 360 console is cheaper and you still get to play MGS4.

However, MGS4 is not launching on the 360 + PS3 simultaneously isn't? so that invalidates your thoughts of higher MGS4 sales with the 360 version.

Mind you I didn't change my story, I just explain it in detail now because I thought it would have been obvious that we're discussing the situation where MGS4 is only available on PS3 now and possibility of it being on the 360 at a much later time.
 
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wiltonson said:
My mistake with typing, watching a movie, eating lunch and surfing the web at the same time.

I still doubt many xbox users will be keen on MGS. Haven't we already read comments comparing Halo or GOW2 against MGS4? They are just different type of games and shows 360 fans won't be bother trying out MGS4. Halo3 achieved a breaking sales record only because majority of 360 fan base are into third person shooter and FPS. Imagine how many wii fans will be interested in Halo3 or MGS4 games?

DMC4 and GTA4 simly sells more because there are more 360 consoles out there when the games are launched on both platforms around the same time.

Obviously, if MGS4 is launched on 360 and PS3 simultaneously, the 360 sales will be much higher. But this isn't the case now right ?
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Square Enix obviously disagree as they've chosen the 360 over the PS3 for the next Star Ocean jrpg, Team Symphonia chose the 360 over the PS3 for the next Tales jrpg, Ubisoft chose the 360 over the PS3 for the next Splinter Cell and I could go on. The 360 has proved that it can support many genres and referrals to it as a shooter only box shows a certain naievity over what's on offer.

With Haze, Killzone 2, Socom, Warhawk and Resistance 2 and the severe shortage of rpgs if anything the PS3 has become this gens shooter box.
 
wiltonson said:
I see why you guys don't understand.

My thinking -
Lets assumed MGS4 does comes out in 2 years time on the 360, how many 360 owners will actually go and buy it? Not many isn't? because those very keen on MGS4 would have bought the PS3 and finished it now (including 360-only-owners). Those that ignored MGS4 now obviously has no interest (or little interest).
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You seem to be just stating this as fact, any evidence at all?

wiltonson said:
Obviously I believe the majority of 360 owners are FPS fans (with Halo3 sales as evidence)
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Thats not evidence! Just because Halo 3 sold well it doesn't mean the majority are FPS fans, and it doesn't mean that they aren't fans of other genres.

wiltonson said:
Your thinking-
If MGS4 is launched on both console at the same time (becos you compare DMC4 and GTA4). In your case, yes I believe MGS4 fans will go and buy the 360 version instead of PS3 simply because 360 console is cheaper and you still get to play MGS4.
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Utter crap, thats not what I said at all, not only did I say nothing about MGS4 launching at the same time, I also said nothing about the 360 being cheaper as a lure.
wiltonson said:
However, MGS4 is not launching on the 360 + PS3 simultaneously isn't? so that invalidates your thoughts of higher MGS4 sales with the 360 version.
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Please show me where I said that MGS4 on 360 would outsell the PS3 version if released? Oh thats right I didn't. Don't just put words in my mouth please.
 
wiltonson i dont agree, sorry. id love to play Ninja gaiden 2 but im not buying a 360 to play it. i loved the first and i have sigma on the ps3 but still.....im not buying a 360
 
james.miller said:
wiltonson i dont agree, sorry. id love to play Ninja gaiden 2 but im not buying a 360 to play it. i loved the first and i have sigma on the ps3 but still.....im not buying a 360
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that to me says your are not overly keen for that game.

What I did in the past... Played MGS on ps1 and still bought the PC version. Bought a PS2 just to play MGS3 and sold when done. Bought a Gamecube just to play Twinsnake then sold it when done. Didn't buy PS2 to play MGS2 cos the review says it's bad but still played it later on my xbox when it came out.
 
Robert1986 said:
Do you see halo 3 selling well on the ps3? Probably not.
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You don't know that. Common sense says that a game that's popular on the 360 will be popular on the PS3 too. I mean, it's happened before with GTA and DMC. 'Probably' and 'maybe' are weak arguments founded on speculation and bias instead of fact and previous trends and indicators.

Use some common sense and logic. I will never understand why people seem to think consoles are for specific mindsets; that people are so ingrained in their beliefs that it's a static X taste for X console. It's not. Xbox owners aren't magically disinterested in MGS, nor are PS owners magically disinterested in Halo. That is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Previous occurences have gone completely against this. Devil May Cry was a staple of the PS, yet when it came to Xbox it was extremely popular. Grand Theft Auto was a staple of the PS yet it was popular on the Xbox too.

Previous trends, as well as common sense, make for a far more compelling argument than 'well I don't think this console owner would like that game really'. Assumptions are the mother of all screwups. Don't make such ignorant comments in the face of recent major franchises going multiplatform and doing well on each.

Exactly, those that like the Halo3 would have went out to buy a 360 for it. In fact my best friend just did that, bought a 360 just for Halo3.
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How is that related to it not doing well on PS3? Existing PS3 owners would buy Halo 3 in all likelihood if it came out for the system, just like Xbox owners decided to go to DMC and GTA. These two examples are far more solid reasons than your frankly weak and loose points.
 
wiltonson said:
Exactly, those that like the Halo3 would have went out to buy a 360 for it. In fact my best friend just did that, bought a 360 just for Halo3.
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I think it would sell well, there are plenty of people that aren't going to buy a console for one game. Id love to play super mario galaxy but im not going to buy a wii just to do it, id love to play little big planet but im not going to buy a ps3 just to do it. Yet if they were released on 360, even a year after launch Id buy them. Halo 3 would be very popular on the PS3, although probably not as popular as on 360 for obvious reasons.
 
Abooie said:
Square Enix obviously disagree as they've chosen the 360 over the PS3 for the next Star Ocean jrpg, Team Symphonia chose the 360 over the PS3 for the next Tales jrpg, Ubisoft chose the 360 over the PS3 for the next Splinter Cell and I could go on. The 360 has proved that it can support many genres and referrals to it as a shooter only box shows a certain naievity over what's on offer.

With Haze, Killzone 2, Socom, Warhawk and Resistance 2 and the severe shortage of rpgs if anything the PS3 has become this gens shooter box.
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well just compare the sales record of Halo3 with other launch titles on the 360. Probably very bad I believe.

The way I understand, 360=preffered console for shooter fans.
 
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