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[wiltonson]

Your saying the pad was obviously designed for FPS...because of the halo 1,2 and 3 sales? (bearing in mind that none of the games were out when the pad was designed)

Your posts just get funnier and funnier

The pad I find it extremly suited for FPS, I'm guessing MS design it for FPS type of games since the beginning. Yes I could be wrong but I refuse to believe they simply put it that way and magically works out fine.

 

[wedgie]

The pad I find it extremly suited for FPS, I'm guessing MS design it for FPS type of games since the beginning. Yes I could be wrong but I refuse to believe they simply put it that way and magically works out fine.

It is a very well built pad, and it only makes sense that they considered first person shooters when designing it. Does that mean a AAA game like MGS4 wouldn't sell if it came to the 360? Of course it doesn't.

 

[wiltonson]

Your argument was 360 fans just like fps hence why MGS4 wouldn't sell on the console.

No. Say 60% of 360 owners are fans of FPS and I assumed 40% of total will buy the MGS4 if simultaneous launch on both platform.

But if 360 owners have to wait 2 years for MGS4 to come out on 360, probably 50% out of that 40% will still be interested. Because during that 2 years waiting those interested in MGS4 would have already gotten a PS3 to play it instead of waiting patiently. Those that are patient will wait and buy it on the 360 version which I guess will be very small number. So my conclusion it will not sell well on the 360 after 2 years waiting.

 

[Shamikebab]

No. Say 60% of 360 owners are fans of FPS and I assumed 40% of total will buy the MGS4 if simultaneous launch on both platform.

But if 360 owners have to wait 2 years for MGS4 to come out on 360, probably 50% out of that 40% will still be interested. Because during that 2 years waiting those interested in MGS4 would have already gotten a PS3 to play it instead of waiting patiently. Those that are patient will wait and buy it on the 360 version which I guess will be very small number. So my conclusion it will not sell well on the 360 after 2 years waiting.

I see, so your conclusion is you shall pluck random numbers out of the air and then throw them together in the hopes of reaching a conclusion?

 

[wiltonson]

I see, so your conclusion is you shall pluck random numbers out of the air and then throw them together in the hopes of reaching a conclusion?

What can I do. You just failed to understand so I have to make up some random numbers so you can follow me.

I'm not saying 360 shooter fan will never buy MGS4. It's because of the 2 years gap, not many will be patient enough to wait if they are keen to play MGS4.

And yes, the 2 years gap is also somehting I made up. There is still no news it will be out on 360 right? So you can say it as 10 years or 1 year whatever you prefer.

 

[wedgie]

What can I do. You just failed to understand so I have to make up some random numbers so you can follow me.

I'm not saying 360 shooter fan will never buy MGS4. It's because of the 2 years gap, not many will be patient enough to wait if they are keen to play MGS4.

I fail to understand arguments that go against common sense and logic too.

 

[2Thumbs]

The pad I find it extremly suited for FPS, I'm guessing MS design it for FPS type of games since the beginning. Yes I could be wrong but I refuse to believe they simply put it that way and magically works out fine.

Even though the 360 controller is largely based on the S-Type controller for the original 'box....

Oh wait, Halo and Halo 2 were Xbox exclusives so it must be true.

For one, the 360 controller works brilliantly (!) with racing games. The use of the analogue triggers for braking and acceleration is perfect IMO.

 

[wiltonson]

I fail to understand arguments that go against common sense and logic too.

Well then just keep thinking MGS4 sales on 360 will be better than on the PS3 even if it's launched 2 years later on 360 (If it ever happens.).

 

[Shamikebab]

What can I do. You just failed to understand so I have to make up some random numbers so you can follow me.

I'm not saying 360 shooter fan will never buy MGS4. It's because of the 2 years gap, not many will be patient enough to wait if they are keen to play MGS4.

And yes, the 2 years gap is also somehting I made up. There is still no news it will be out on 360 right? So you can say it as 10 years or 1 year whatever you prefer.

I understand perfectly, I understand that you have realised that your argument makes no sense in this world so you've had to make up figures to support it. I also understand that you seem to have very little understanding of the things you are arguing about.

Well then just keep thinking MGS4 sales on 360 will be better than on the PS3 even if it's launched 2 years later on 360 (If it ever happens.).

No-one has said that, that is also something you have made up in an effort to make your arguments sound like anything other than complete lunacy.

 

[wiltonson]

I understand perfectly, I understand that you have realised that your argument makes no sense in this world so you've had to make up figures to support it. I also understand that you seem to have very little understanding of the things you are arguing about.

No-one has said that, that is also something you have made up in an effort to make your arguments sound like anything other than complete lunacy.

I think you still failed to understand me or just don't see it at all.

I'm trying hard to argue my points because I believe I know the answer. Nothing to do with trying to make up someting by changing anything I said.

 

[Shamikebab]

You haven't provided a single source to back up your claims, thats not trying that hard. And stop saying I don't understand, claiming ignorance is the last refuge of a bad debater.


"Well I'm right, but you just don't understand"

 

[wedgie]

I think you still failed to understand me or just don't see it at all.

I'm trying hard to argue my points because I believe I know the answer. Nothing to do with trying to make up someting by changing anything I said.

Nobody knows the answer. We can only go by what we've seen in the past, and what we do know is high quality/high profile games will sell. If MGS4 hits the 360 when it's still relevant and it's marketed properly, it will sell.

Your belief that the majority will buy a console for a single game is plainly wrong, which leaves plenty of 360 owners (and plenty more new owners if it does take 2 years) happy to leave it until it does come to the 360.

Perhaps by the time it does hit 360 it will have sold so many that it will be difficult to catch, but if it does come, every 360 owner is a potential buyer. Infact the only people you could realistically count out are those that own both consoles anyway.

 

[wiltonson]

Nobody knows the answer. We can only go by what we've seen in the past, and what we do know is high quality/high profile games will sell. If MGS4 hits the 360 when it's still relevant and it's marketed properly, it will sell.

Your belief that the majority will buy a console for a single game is plainly wrong, which leaves plenty of 360 owners (and plenty more new owners if it does take 2 years) happy to leave it until it does come to the 360.

Perhaps by the time it does hit 360 it will have sold so many that it will be difficult to catch, but if it does come, every 360 owner is a potential buyer. Infact the only people you could realistically count out are those that own both consoles anyway.

Looks like you are following what I'm talking. And yes no one knows the answer but everyone can believe whatever he thinks right?

I didn't say majority will buy console for one game, just the ones who are very keen on one special game that caugh their attention. Because I know I'm doing it, one friend bought 360 for Halo3 and one friend bought 360 for RE5 also remember an old colleague who bought a PS2 just for GT4. It's probably best described as a trigger point to the purchase of a console because of one single game.

Yes every 360 owner is potential buyer even if launched in 2 years time. Just that I believe by 2 years time, majority of these potential buyers would have either moved on or bought a PS3 (keep in mind I believe that majority of 360 owner prefer FPS games, so the number of this MGS4 potential buyers is much lesser than the whole of 360 owners).

Also I won't say every PS3 owner will buy MGS4 so similiarly I won't assume all 360 owners are potential buyer (my mistake).

Gosh I don't know how many times have I repeated my thoughts on this arguments. I really had enough of this

 

[EL_JOCK]

Hi Everyone,

It seems this thread has gone far from the apple tree since my last post back on page 2, it seems that people have stopped saying it cannot be done on 360 to pretty much accepting that it can, strange how people forget the days before release.

We seem to have jumped wildly into sales figures etc about this game; clearly it's not coming out on the 360. If it did i really don't see it being 2 years as some wild claims have throw down as reasons for why it would not sell on the 360, if it was to come i would say a year at the most, after that it would not really make business sense to do so.

If the game had gone multi platform day 1, due to xbox live & MGO i would say the 360 version would have sold very well, if not better than PS3.

Comments about the pad i feel are last straws for people, i hate to say it without coming off as a fan boy, but the 360 pad is far better than the PS3 pad (please don’t go on about the new dual shock it's the same pad) and really who uses the d-pad these days all games use the sticks which is why the PS3 pad sucks the sticks are in the wrong place, (please note my fav pad of all is dreamcast)

 

[wedgie]

(keep in mind I believe that majority of 360 owner prefer FPS games, so the number of this MGS4 potential buyers is much lesser than the whole of 360 owners).

People who enjoy first person shooters wouldn't be interested in MGS4, I just don't know where this assumption has come from.

Comments about the pad i feel are last straws for people, i hate to say it without coming off as a fan boy, but the 360 pad is far better than the PS3 pad (please don’t go on about the new dual shock it's the same pad) and really who uses the d-pad these days all games use the sticks which is why the PS3 pad sucks the sticks are in the wrong place, (please note my fav pad of all is dreamcast)

Nothing fanboy about it, the 360 pad is widely regarded as the best out there.

 

[wiltonson]

if it was to come i would say a year at the most, after that it would not really make business sense to do so.

Exactly what I was trying to say. The longer the time delay very unlikely the interest will still be there to be worthwhile/profitable for business

If the game had gone multi platform day 1, due to xbox live & MGO i would say the 360 version would have sold very well, if not better than PS3.

Agreed and 360 is more affordable. Obviously this is not the case since it's not coming to 360

Comments about the pad i feel are last straws for people, i hate to say it without coming off as a fan boy, but the 360 pad is far better than the PS3 pad (please don’t go on about the new dual shock it's the same pad) and really who uses the d-pad these days all games use the sticks which is why the PS3 pad sucks the sticks are in the wrong place,

I agree but a few people I met (especially my colleague) disagrees with me. I suppose it's down to individual preferences. Not tried a DS3 yet so no comment on that.

 

[msmalls74]

This thread has gone so far off topic lol!
Anyway just to carry on the off topic thing, as sony is funding and helping KP and Konami on the MGS movie, I doubt very much it will come on the 360 for a long, long while. Also the money involved re-porting it to the 360, spliting the game down into smaller sections for the mulitple disks, lowering the audio quality and redesigning parts of the game i dont think would be worth it. Those who are concerened with PS3 game sales should stop looking at just the NPD numbers but the worldwide figures. For example DMC4 on the PS3 outsold the 360 version by about 200K ( roughly 20%), that is a "sony" game, GTA4 has about the same attach rate for each console with the 360 having a 1.5 million lead but with 6 million more consoles sold. As for MGS4 sales, well Ryan Payton will be happy, it looks like it sold approx 1.3 million copies day 1, and doubled PS3 sales for the week.

 

[Robert1986]

This thread has gone so far off topic lol!
Anyway just to carry on the off topic thing, as sony is funding and helping KP and Konami on the MGS movie, I doubt very much it will come on the 360 for a long, long while. Also the money involved re-porting it to the 360, spliting the game down into smaller sections for the mulitple disks, lowering the audio quality and redesigning parts of the game i dont think would be worth it. Those who are concerened with PS3 game sales should stop looking at just the NPD numbers but the worldwide figures. For example DMC4 on the PS3 outsold the 360 version by about 200K ( roughly 20%), that is a "sony" game, GTA4 has about the same attach rate for each console with the 360 having a 1.5 million lead but with 6 million more consoles sold. As for MGS4 sales, well Ryan Payton will be happy, it looks like it sold approx 1.3 million copies day 1, and doubled PS3 sales for the week.

and with that said, this thread should be closed.

 

[Inoshishi]

and with that said, this thread should be closed.

here here

 

[KNiVES]

Or go back on topic - how the hell did this game get those two 8/10s? I'm stumped to be honest.