Same here.
Red Bull have got a couple of drivers who suit their personality down to a tee, lets just hope they don't give either of them a competitive car next year so we can continue to watch the fallout.
Poll: Mexico Grand Prix 2016, Mexico City - Race 19/21
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Same here.
Red Bull have got a couple of drivers who suit their personality down to a tee, lets just hope they don't give either of them a competitive car next year so we can continue to watch the fallout.
Man of Honour
That turned out to be one of the most boring races of the season. I gave it a 4/10. What a bloody disgraceful farce the podium was. First Verstappen was 3rd then Vettel then 3 hours later Ricciardo. What a joke.
Ferrari needs to fit Vettels car with a PA system, maybe a megaphone in the airbox. All the people he's shouting at will be able to hear him then.
Ferrari needs to fit Vettels car with a PA system, maybe a megaphone in the airbox. All the people he's shouting at will be able to hear him then.
So because of this its less dangerous when Vettel did it yesterday than Max did it earlier in the season?
Surely being the older and wiser driver Vettel should be being "doubly clean" rather than reverting to the old tactics (that have since been banned)
Everything from SV looked childish yesterday
Soldato
He did look like a baby throwing his toys out of the pram.
Soldato
As much as I like Vettel (and always did) I think he should be banned for rest of the season. Telling race director to **** off on the radio should not be tolerated under any circumstances.
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What treatment, driving a race? Boo hoo.
You've decided to attack Max for not moving over when no rule stipulates he had to, you're excusing Vettel for a very dangerous and unsportsmanlike move saying that Max has done worse and that all drivers would do what he did. In which incident did Max cause contact several times or cause a driver to lock up fully to avoid a contact, none?
Vettel aggressively changed significantly across the track causing Ricciardo to have to lock up hard to attempt to avoid a crash and still had a few separate bits of contact.
If you want to defend Vettel, fine, but you are attacking Max over rules you still don't understand after having them explained to you, you are insanely saying Vettel did nothing other drivers wouldn't and you're having a pop at Ricciardo as well... exactly what did he do wrong? stuff happens on the track ahead of you, he can only drive for himself and his team, he had a chance to overtake and was blocked off in a way that was against the rules, how on earth can your estimation of him go down?
The actual reality is no, not all drivers would do what Vettel did, a few, those drivers are bad drivers who break the rules. Also in reality absolutely no driver would give up a podium position when not directed to by the stewards. If you think Vettel would have given up that position in Max's position you're completely nuts.
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Yes, because max did it at the end of a DRS zone at top speed.
Soldato
Point is there was no rule stopping max doing what he did, it was a gentlemans agreement that he choose to ignore which is fair enough. Vettel was one of the biggest critics of the manoeuvres yet when he was in that position and when there was a rule in place to stop it he choose to ignore the rule and do exactly what he'd accused Max of.
This exactly...Vettel is really dropping in my eyes. Always liked him but he is acting rather poorly at the moment. It looks to me that the new guard is coming forward and he is not coping with it, almost seems like the school bully picking on the new guy and then bitching loudest once found it.
It also seems to coincide with the Ferrari dropping down the grid too...
Soldato
I rated the race as 7 overall. 3 for the race and 10 for the post race hilariousness.
Soldato
They haven't performed as they expected this year, they expected to be the ones challenging the Merc but it's been Red Bull. I like Vettel, he's one of my favourite drivers but it must be frustrating for an ex world champion being in that position but equally he should know better.
Soldato
The FIA's inept handling of everything, stewards inconsistency and result change after the podium, mean this race is a 1.
It looks an amazing atmosphere, would be awesome to be there.
Everything that is wrong with F1 in one race though.
At least Vettel's radio comments were good to listen to. His message to Charlie was and still is spot on.
It looks an amazing atmosphere, would be awesome to be there.
Everything that is wrong with F1 in one race though.
At least Vettel's radio comments were good to listen to. His message to Charlie was and still is spot on.
that may be so - but the way it was done counts for as much as the contents of the message itself, and he failed dismally at this.
Soldato
It doesn't bring the sport into disrepute. They wouldn't have played it on TV otherwise.
Pretty easy for all of us on our chairs to say he should have calmed down, but everyone here would be as raging as he was.
Pretty easy for all of us on our chairs to say he should have calmed down, but everyone here would be as raging as he was.
I guess he's not alone. Alonso and his move to McLaren hasn't turned out like he thought it would either... We'd probably be talking about his whinging if it weren't for Vettel usurping him.
Soldato
Kvyat is his spiritual successor in F1 these days. Brings bags of money into the team, but is an absolute hazard on the track.
What makes me laugh through all of this is that Max is only in this position because he's in the Red Bull and he's only in the Red Bull because Seb threw his toys out the pram about Kyvat's racing.. 
And then he got shafted by the rule that was created because of Max! You couldn't make it up... Lol
And then he got shafted by the rule that was created because of Max! You couldn't make it up... Lol
Don
Vettel's punishment was nothing to do with on-track actions, it was a slap on the wrist for being so horribly rude to Charlie!
Whats the engine situation for ROS going into the last two? Is he re-using units, and if so, which ones?
Vettel being sent to the podium was purely so he could publicly be stripped of the 3rd place, demotion from 3rd is much higher profile than 4th
Whats the engine situation for ROS going into the last two? Is he re-using units, and if so, which ones?
Vettel being sent to the podium was purely so he could publicly be stripped of the 3rd place, demotion from 3rd is much higher profile than 4th
Man of Honour
What makes me laugh through all of this is that Max is only in this position because he's in the Red Bull and he's only in the Red Bull because Seb threw his toys out the pram about Kyvat's racing..
Regarding Kvyat being demoted, I think they were looking for any excuse to get rid of him, and his bad race was reason enough. I doubt Vettel's complaining influenced it at all. They were desperate to lock Max into a Red Bull car and knew there was a possibility of him being tempted away from Toro Rosso.
Vettel and Verstappen both at Ferrari was probably on the cards at one point.