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Microsoft updates support policy: New CPUs will require Windows 10
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Some CPU features need to be directly integrated into the operating system to be supported and can't really be done with drivers.
Take for instance AVX 2.0. That seriously speeds up some operations on modern Intel (and I think AMD CPUs). If you want your CPU to support it Microsoft need to enable support in the operating system itself.
Intel are already talking about AVX 512 which will be even better than AVX 2.0. I guess given this announcement you'll need to upgrade to the latest version of Windows to get support for it. Third parties such as Intel won't simply be able to write a driver for support.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512
Not sure where you're going with that XP comment?
Anyway, there's very little that they could do with Kaby Lake that would cause Win7 to have stability or crashing issues with it, as was suggested by another poster.
Win7 might not be the /best/ platform for such CPUs, fine, but I can't see how a future x86_64 CPU would cause instability in Win7.
If you can think of an example, do tell
They have the ability to do whatever they want. We're talking about some of the smartest people alive - if they want to disable Windows 7 compatibility via a hardware config, they can do so if they really want to.
Lol, jokes on Microsoft, there's practically zero reason (unless you legit{as in for CPU limited programs[just saying]} have one) to bother with new CPUs with the wonder of tiny performance increases.
True for people currently on the recent i3-i7 chips: they don't need to upgrade
Not so much for my Phenom 2 720 BE... I'd get more than a tiny performance increase when I swap that soon!
Thanks for the laugh
No really, I'm sure there are plenty of smart people at MS - that doesn't always translate to Windows being the pinnacle of human achievement Nor does it mean they can always achieve their own goals. Prevented illegal activation of Windows, have they? After all these years, nope.
The point is, they can't do whatever they want, and it's silly to think they can. If they pushed down an update which disabled Win7 in Skylake machines... well, there would be uproar. People would block the update. Etc, etc.
And they might fall foul of some law too...
Thanks for the laugh
Nor does it mean they can always achieve their own goals. Prevented illegal activation of Windows, have they? After all these years, nope.
The point is, they can't do whatever they want, and it's silly to think they can. If they pushed down an update which disabled Win7 in Skylake machines... well, there would be uproar. People would block the update. Etc, etc.
And they might fall foul of some law too...
It's silly of you to believe MS couldn't prevent illegal Windows activation, if they really wanted to.
I suggest a google search - MS have hinted/practically said several times that they'd prefer to let pirated copies have all the benefits of a genuine windows installation (such as security updates, feature updates) as this prevents malware/viruses from infecting genuine copies.
It would be an extremely simply affair for them to request the CDkey when a windows installation requests an update. They simply don't do this, and let anyone update any illegal copy.
It also increases their market share, so win/win for them.
And yet they've implemented several technologies/ systems to reduce piracy.
But if you're losing, I guess it's easy to say "we never wanted to win."
You still think they could get away with pushing an update to disable win7 on Skylake? You honestly think that would fly?
But if you're losing, I guess it's easy to say "we never wanted to win."
You still think they could get away with pushing an update to disable win7 on Skylake? You honestly think that would fly?
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I think microsoft are trying to do an admirable thing in trying to standardise the world's os's.
Two problems;
1. The world doesnt want that, they're happy with the standard they have in w7 and 8.1
2. The reason the world is happy with 7 and 8.1 is possibly related to the things that just, y'know, work on those will for some random and inexcusable reason not work on w10
If microsoft spent as much time fixing problem 2 as they seem to be spending pushing their version of the future on people then problem 1 might just solve itself.
Two problems;
1. The world doesnt want that, they're happy with the standard they have in w7 and 8.1
2. The reason the world is happy with 7 and 8.1 is possibly related to the things that just, y'know, work on those will for some random and inexcusable reason not work on w10
If microsoft spent as much time fixing problem 2 as they seem to be spending pushing their version of the future on people then problem 1 might just solve itself.
Well it's tough luck for gamers, since DX12 is only included in Windows 10. Yet still there'll probably be people crying/whining about it for the next 10 years.
Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS, nothing like Vista or 8 were. Everything can be disabled that you don't want to have, it just takes a IQ higher than a spanner to find the options to do so.
I disable windows update through the services, as it was causing a ruckus when either myself or my house mate where playing online games and windows 10 decides to update itself but what is a powershell script to let you choose your updates?
Is it fairly easy to setup?
Yeah that is going to be annoying might have to look at QoSing the **** out of it - we try and be cooperative here to stop people's ping times ingame going crazy including using several internet connections to spread the load. Windows 10 updating whenever it wants is going to throw a spanner in the works.
It was a nightmare and as both gamers its something we couldnt comprehend that microsoft wouldnt even allow us to pick at the least a time of day to update particularly that a major selling point of windows 10 is dx12, which means a lot of gamers are going to be buying it. Dota itself is very sensitive to any bandwidth change with the impact it can have on ping, other games not so much.
so to cut through all the hoo hahh when is win 7 and win 8 basically useless ?
or is this just hype scaremongary ? i ask as dx12 aint gunna be nothing for 2 years plus yet. id rather stick with win 7 until i really need to swop but will be going x99 soon.
or is this just hype scaremongary ? i ask as dx12 aint gunna be nothing for 2 years plus yet. id rather stick with win 7 until i really need to swop but will be going x99 soon.
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Sounds like its adding more reason not to upgrade from a 2700k knowing that it will be good for the next 5 years on 7,8,8.1 £500-600 quid in me pocket for other things can put that to a nice DD wheel.
I'm not doing it. I have no interest in W10. Apart from my kids gaming machines I'll simply move to Linux full time. It does everything I need. While I do prefer W7 (or W8 skinned to look like it) I'm getting frankly cheesed off with the constant W10 upgrade reminders. My 3930K will be good for a while yet though.
Seems like the more tech savvy are the ones having issues. Is it a control freak thing? W10 works fine for me and others I know. I've turned off some of the MS monitoring but really none of us are significantly interesting if we were I'm sure there are lots of better ways to snoop on you.
Like it or not MS are heading down the Apple route and we're just along for the ride. I can't see any competing OS coming along with mass appeal anytime soon so we may as well make the most of it
Like it or not MS are heading down the Apple route and we're just along for the ride. I can't see any competing OS coming along with mass appeal anytime soon so we may as well make the most of it
Tis a pain, even if you hide the update it decides to unhide itself sometimes so installs if auto updates are on or your not paying attention. I've uninstalled it (KB3035583), hidden it in the updates list then check for it in the list while doing a manual update each month.
I wasn't impressed when I moved from XP to W7 to find basic functionality and usefull usability features were missing. Third pary apps make up for it but if there's no easy way to turn off auto updates on W10 then I'm not interested. Will just move to linux and MS can stuff it.
Seems like the more tech savvy are the ones having issues. Is it a control freak thing? W10 works fine for me and others I know. I've turned off some of the MS monitoring but really none of us are significantly interesting if we were I'm sure there are lots of better ways to snoop on you.
Like it or not MS are heading down the Apple route and we're just along for the ride. I can't see any competing OS coming along with mass appeal anytime soon so we may as well make the most of it
Not really a control freak thing but ultimately it is my OS environment and I will say when the machine restarts, etc. not some dumb software that isn't even real life context aware... :S
I can see how some of it can be useful for mainstream users but MS needs to get back to enabling the user experience not pushing a usage model that is incompatible with more users than it is compatible.
There is a real risk that they are ironically going to end up pushing many users towards Apple who love them or hate them just do some of those aspects better and others towards Linux.
EDIT: The other thing I really hate though - while I get the overly bevelled, glossy look of Windows 7 isn't for everyone - I've got mine configured to look aesthetically pleasing which is kind of nice when you spend quite a bit of time looking at it in day to day use - Windows 10 just looks like a mismatch of elements and the bland square look to everything is an eye sore. Dunno what would have been so wrong in keeping the Windows 7 UI in general, especially as most of the icons are very nicely done and maybe toning down some elements.
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