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Microsoft updates support policy: New CPUs will require Windows 10

Rroff said:
Not really a control freak thing but ultimately it is my OS environment and I will say when the machine restarts, etc. not some dumb software that isn't even real life context aware... :S

I can see how some of it can be useful for mainstream users but MS needs to get back to enabling the user experience not pushing a usage model that is incompatible with more users than it is compatible.

There is a real risk that they are ironically going to end up pushing many users towards Apple who love them or hate them just do some of those aspects better and others towards Linux.
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I think the truth of it is we're buying extremely complex products that can't be tailored to every single users likes/dislikes. The only way to run a company selling such a product is standardisation and limiting fragmentation. Whilst it is "your" OS you've just bought a licence to use it, it is actually Microsoft's OS to change, within reason, as they wish. Of course we're all free to buy/use any other product as we see fit and that is how I think it should work.

There seems to be have been a shift in recent times from user feedback to to lobbying by niche interests. This also applies to business especially in the US and it just skews everything. As in the case of W10 the silent majority seem to be happy enough or at least not that bothered they feel motivated to complain or switch away. That said you have every right to voice your opinions, I'm just not sure that the majority are as unhappy with the product.

Do you think there will be a decent rival for Windows in the near future? Compatibility seems to be their strength and relative ease of use. I'm sure there is room for a real Fisher Price OS for the non-techies out there and for something modular or real bare bones for those that need it. I'd be happy to try something else if it wasn't Apple (too restricted) or Linux (too much faffing around).
 
Tailoring an OS to individual user's likes/dislikes is the wrong way to go about it - the OS is about enabling the user so it should be highly configurable - nothing wrong with adding a default path to support the common denominator but that should be possible to escape from without having to break the OS.

Take Windows updates - there is no reason that couldn't have options for manual control - even if that means that certain online portions of the service might not function until you'd updated to the latest version and/or pushing notifications for actual critical updates i.e. major security flaws.

Unfortunately it seems MS is pushing that whole "pain points" thing into the retail releases seeing how far they can push it before people complain and a lot of the time people just silently accept it rather than complain :S
 
Rroff said:
Tailoring an OS to individual user's likes/dislikes is the wrong way to go about it - the OS is about enabling the user so it should be highly configurable - nothing wrong with adding a default path to support the common denominator but that should be possible to escape from without having to break the OS.

Take Windows updates - there is no reason that couldn't have options for manual control - even if that means that certain online portions of the service might not function until you'd updated to the latest version and/or pushing notifications for actual critical updates i.e. major security flaws.

Unfortunately it seems MS is pushing that whole "pain points" thing into the retail releases seeing how far they can push it before people complain and a lot of the time people just silently accept it rather than complain :S
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The automatic Windows updates seem very sensible to me, assuming they don't break anything, which if they do smacks of insufficient testing. I think that because almost all users I know don't have a clue on the upkeep required to make sure their OS is working and isn't vulnerable. I can see why MS want to control that side of it as they will be the first to get it in the neck/sued when things go wrong. I suspect some of your ideas will become standard over time. Personally If I was them I'd release a separate "Pro" version to reduce any confusion.

Don't get me wrong I'm no unquestioning fan of MS but I suspect that they want to introduce as few extra complications as possible until they have the core product nailed. Some will say that should be before release but given the sheer number of possible hardware and software combinations I don't think it's possible to ever get a 100% perfect OS.
 
Am I honestly the only one here who thinks this is just ridiculous PR on Intel's part? Future processors will be able to handle old instructions sets and therefore old operating systems. This announcement seems like total BS to me.
 
Dave2150 said:
Well it's tough luck for gamers, since DX12 is only included in Windows 10. Yet still there'll probably be people crying/whining about it for the next 10 years.

Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS, nothing like Vista or 8 were. Everything can be disabled that you don't want to have, it just takes a IQ higher than a spanner to find the options to do so.
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8 was a dud, but 8.1 is fine, legacy issues are my main concern and from my experiences with 10 so far it seems to have completely wrecked what worked perfectly fine in 7 and 8.1.

Fortunately they'll have to work on it, industry wont accept that sort of thing going on and microsoft will have to listen to industry.

Considering the number of scripts you seem to need to run to kill some of the more annoying aspects of w10 one wonders why they couldnt just have an off button for things like cortana etc. I dislike having to trawl the internet for powershell scripts just to stop a clean install of w10 destroying an i5 laptop.
 
Dave2150 said:
Well it's tough luck for gamers, since DX12 is only included in Windows 10. Yet still there'll probably be people crying/whining about it for the next 10 years.

Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS, nothing like Vista or 8 were. Everything can be disabled that you don't want to have, it just takes a IQ higher than a spanner to find the options to do so.
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i have the IQ of an fork so i am struggling,
could you till me where the option is to stop cortana is?
also can you tell me where to option is to tag to desktop so i dont have to run chrome when i want to tab out of a game.
where is the option so windows will not force updates when i am playing games, because if you as it not to.... it still dose.
 
Not sure what people's problems are with windows 10? Windows 10 is superb and I have ran into no issues at all with it. I disabled all the privacy options and use all of the updates without running into any problems. Using win 7 classic shell, but win 10 is by far the best windows I have used. If Microsoft are forcing new CPU's to work only on Windows 10 I think that is a good idea and will bring with it less compatibility problems in the future.
 
5960xNvidiaGamer said:
Not sure what people's problems are with windows 10? Windows 10 is superb and I have ran into no issues at all with it. I disabled all the privacy options and use all of the updates without running into any problems. Using win 7 classic shell, but win 10 is by far the best windows I have used. If Microsoft are forcing new CPU's to work only on Windows 10 I think that is a good idea and will bring with it less compatibility problems in the future.
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Same here, I have had zero glitches with win 10 and I assume that people have tried the win 10 pro. No problems with updates and I am using the latest AMD graphics drivers.

People have criticised every windows release since the early 90's. Too complex, too controlling, too much bloat. Apart from 8/8.1 which I will admit to disliking for not being intuitive enough, I have never had many issues.

The OS is primarily to gain access to your programs and set up the hardware following from the BIOS instructions. If it can do that and have minimal other impacts, I like it.
 
Dave2150 said:
Well it's tough luck for gamers, since DX12 is only included in Windows 10. Yet still there'll probably be people crying/whining about it for the next 10 years.

Windows 10 is a perfectly good OS, nothing like Vista or 8 were. Everything can be disabled that you don't want to have, it just takes a IQ higher than a spanner to find the options to do so.
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Windows 7 was a perfectly good OS.

Windows 10 is full of problems on (slightly) older hardware. I'm using a 2500k and an Asus P8-Z77-M mobo, and I've had a number of issues that weren't there in W7.

None of them are resolved in the preview builds either (I'm on the fast track).

Those include:
*USB ports randomly stop working
*Monitor will not wake from sleep
*Failure to shut down/reboot at least once a week (force off by power button necessary)
*Apps fail to start/ windows fail to open, timeout errors occur (restart necessary)
*Warnings about services failing to start, only admin users can login (about 10% chance of this on logging in)

None of these are resolved by a reinstall btw.

Again, Win7 did not exhibit any of these issues which have only occured since the upgrade.

Against this, Win10 boots noticeably faster. That's it. That's the only plus point I can think of. Nothing else for me works better than it did in W7.
 
5960xNvidiaGamer said:
To be honest there may be problems on older hardware like Fox says, but I have only used win 10 on my new x99 build, maybe why I like it so much and have ran into no issues.
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Likewise. All seems gravy on Windows 10 and my x99 build so far. Even all my DAW stuff ( a lot of the samples/vsts i use are very old now) seems to work fine.

Love it.
 
5960xNvidiaGamer said:
To be honest there may be problems on older hardware like Fox says, but I have only used win 10 on my new x99 build, maybe why I like it so much and have ran into no issues.
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It seens to suit older AMD. I'm running Win 10 Pro on an FX9590 with a Crosshair V formula motherboard with DDR3. Several years old in terms of tech.

In fact it seems to utilise cores better than Win 7 did.
 
Windows 7 was good OS.

Windows 10 - very bad OS, Microsoft is spying on you all. Force your future CPU to accept Windows 10 only will not allow you to installing Windows 7.

Future PC's and CPU's will be changing to new world of freedom Linux operating system. Hopefully the business will join Linux. So, we all can say GOODBYE Microsoft, We don't want your business anymore!

So I do hope Microsoft will be out of business by the time by 2020 with Linux overtaking the world of business and home users.
 
Bulldog.... More like bull****

If you don't want to use it, then don't, but don't spout utter trash like that which is spread by the ignorant and uninformed
 
Microsoft has been spying on people since XP. There were hidden log files (which log every program you run and website you visit) even back then. It's all in the registry.

Once you turn all the crap off, disable those silly "live tile" things and remove all the nonsense apps they planted in the new UI windows 10 runs noticeably better. Better than 7 does. I use this program to disable a lot of the un-wanted stuff: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
 
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Turning it off won't do anything to fix the untrustworthyness of the OS. I'll never have it on my PC as a result.
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Nasher said:
Microsoft has been spying on people since XP. There were hidden log files (which log every program you run and website you visit) even back then. It's all in the registry.

Once you turn all the crap off, disable those silly "live tile" things and remove all the nonsense apps they planted in the new UI windows 10 runs noticeably better. Better than 7 does. I use this program to disable a lot of the un-wanted stuff: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
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Disagree on that a bit - for me 99% of the time stripped down Windows 7 just works - stripped down Windows 10 I still get oddities like explorer randomly taking a long time to do simple tasks, start menu becoming unresponsive or some features not wanting to work for awhile etc. at times and so on. Windows 10 has the potential to be a far superior OS to 7 but it needs work and MS extricating their heads from a certain place a bit.

Previous to Windows 10 (aslong as you didn't install some updates) older OSes did a lot less in the way of spying on you and reporting that data (even in a generic sample format that can't be linked back to a unique user) most of the logged data was used locally for improving performance, etc. rather than reported back.

Currently I have a Toshiba Click 10 (Windows 10 tablet) hooked up to a monitor, etc. alongside my Windows 7 laptop and gaming PC (though my KVM just broke :( which is a major pain) and how I have stuff setup 7 honestly looks, feels and behaves like the more modern OS most of the time the only change with that really is the start menu functionality now they've included the ability to have an extra tile wide groups but it still looks ugly as **** with a horrid bland square box around each icon, etc.

Windows 10 will never be my main OS anyhow until they give manual control back over updates/restarts even if that means I'm forced to go Linux :( once 7 becomes too outdated.
 
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