*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

Caved. Did the upgrade at 1am last night. It's not like I really can "win" here with my concerns. On the plus side, tpm or whatever it's called (it's early, I'm tired), is turned off.

EDIT: urgh. Path for my Fusion 360 files is failing now, can't open anything. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Edit2: Maybe not. One massive project has merely been corrupted :( doh EDIT 3: Managed to revert to a prior save. Thank goodness. Hopefully that's the only corruption.
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
If that was the case users would just never reboot if they could get away with it. It's scheduled for a reason!
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GaryTheSnail said:
You can decide when the machine reboots, it's called a schedule!

If you haven't set it then that's your fault.
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No just no.

Also even if you schedule it with the way MS works it will catch you out sooner or later.

AthlonXP1800 said:
Unfortunately that is called USER ERROR!
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And definitely just NO. The user shouldn't have to ***** about with settings to try and fight MS deciding when it wants to restart the system.

I have no idea why some people defend MS over this.

The only way to comprehensively defeat this is to install Windows Update Blocker and that means you are reliant on 3rd party software with all the potential security considerations of that along with the impact on updates and future compatibility.
 
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AthlonXP1800 said:
Unfortunately that is called USER ERROR!

You left your PC unatteded for hours when you at work, you should know when Patch Tuesdays is expected Windows Update to download and install updates.

When Windows 10/11 detected no activity movements from user for hours and a dialog will pop up attempt to alert user with time set when Windows will restart.

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I was left my PC unattended for hours 2 weeks ago and dialog popped up on my screen with time set to 12:56pm, I reacted to it and clicked Another Time to cancelled restart.

You would had thought of manually set your PC active hours before you left for work so your PC will not restart at active hours OR you would had thought to used Chrome Remote Desktop app on Android/iOS to logged on your PC from work to checked Jedi Fallen Order download progress completed and then put your PC to sleep or shutdown. Or download ShutdownGuard to put tool in taskbar tray to prevent Windows Update restart your PC. It worked very well for people with 3D printers that take few months to printed complex 3D models.

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GitHub - stefansundin/shutdownguard: :skull: Prevent Windows from shutting down. (UNSUPPORTED, see issue #1)

:skull: Prevent Windows from shutting down. (UNSUPPORTED, see issue #1) - stefansundin/shutdownguard
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've read out of anything you've posted - you really should take a step back and consider this from a wider range of uses and the typical average user i.e. your every day PC user won't have a clue what patch Tuesday is - and in reality MS doesn't even work exclusively to that and will do out of band patches, etc.

In fact I can only assume you are trolling because that is such an incredibly stupid suggestion as to how people should be handling the situation.
 
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That restart schedule is rubbish, and no we shouldn't have to setup a schedule as to when the system auto reboots. Been a long time since this happened but one version of Windows decided to auto update and then proceed to auto reboot without any warning whatsoever while I was playing a full screen game. Happily playing and all of a sudden Windows is restarting.

This thank god has only happened once a very long time ago, might have been early in Windows 10s life but it should not happen, what if that was important work I was doing.
 
Raiden85 said:
That restart schedule is rubbish, and no we shouldn't have to setup a schedule as to when the system auto reboots. Been a long time since this happened but one version of Windows decided to auto update and then proceed to auto reboot without any warning whatsoever while I was playing a full screen game. Happily playing and all of a sudden Windows is restarting.

This thank god has only happened once a very long time ago, might have been early in Windows 10s life but it should not happen, what if that was important work I was doing.
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It used to catch Eve Online players out quite a bit with several versions of Windows 10, I don't think it does any more but I could be wrong as I've not played in awhile.

Typically in the game people spend quite a lot of time idling either being available for fleet flights, etc. or waiting on tasks like mining, etc. and for some reason Windows 10 doesn't always see the client as activity.

The one I remember was when my dad was working on stuff late (outside of what Windows would see as his normal times) - Powerpoint/Word - for IIRC a conference he was off to the next day, took a short break and came back to find the system had restarted itself for updates - which meant he had to get up an hour early for an already early start the next day - to say he wasn't amused is an understatement. Fortunately (or unfortunately as it might get more pressure to change it) not something which happens that often but still.
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
So then why don't you just check windows updates once a week and reboot when it asks you too.

No issues then.
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People don't really work like that - it is a model of the user MS seems to think is how everyone uses their system but it isn't reality.

For instance I've around a dozen Windows 10 systems all working on different schedules, etc. some of them I might not even turn on in few weeks, others in use every day, etc. etc. and even then MS doesn't 100% have a standard for updates some are pushed out of band and/or handled differently because MS deems them important to "keep your machine running smoothly"...
 
And MS doesn't always do a weekly update could be more than one a week but can be a week and half to two weeks between updates, and it's not just cumulative updates its other random updates that may require a reboot or maybe an emergency fix if something is really bad though that one is rare. I check very regularly and my update days are all over the place.

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Rroff said:
People don't really work like that - it is a model of the user MS seems to think is how everyone uses their system but it isn't reality.
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Well you can't have it all ways you either install on schedule or install on manual. Microsoft don't know when you want to do your updates so if it's an important one they force you to reboot no matter what you in the middle of.

Makes sense to me.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
Well you can't have it all ways you either install on schedule or install on manual. Microsoft don't know when you want to do your updates so if it's an important one they force you to reboot no matter what you in the middle of.

Makes sense to me.
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As the end user you'd expect to have it all ways... the entire purpose of an OS is to enable the end user - something MS seems to have forgotten. I'm not sure if you are trolling or have been cucked by MS.
 
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Rroff said:
As the end user you'd expect to have it all ways... the entire purpose of an OS is to enable the end user - something MS seems to have forgotten. I'm not sure if you are trolling or have been cucked by MS.
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People do have it all ways they can either schedule or manually install updates.

What's your point? or has Microsoft cucked you too.
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
People do have it all ways they can either schedule or manually install updates.

What's your point? or has Microsoft cucked you too.
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Neither of which, as is quite easily proven and demonstrated many times in this thread, gives you full control of the OS, the OS should never take any executive action while lacking real world context awareness.

I have zero idea why anyone would defend MS over this.
 
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Honestly though even if you followed that, and the average user shouldn't have to, updates in Windows 10/11 would make that a chore - almost any time I switch a Windows 10/11 machine on these days if I'm not blocking updates there are 3-4 updates it wants to install unless I'm using the machine basically daily.
 
Rroff said:
Honestly though even if you followed that, and the average user shouldn't have to, updates in Windows 10/11 would make that a chore - almost any time I switch a Windows 10/11 machine on these days if I'm not blocking updates there are 3-4 updates it wants to install unless I'm using the machine basically daily.
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Well then maybe they should do micro updates in the background whereby you don't need to reboot.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
Well then maybe they should do micro updates in the background whereby you don't need to reboot.
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They should really be separating updates out more again, though I think partly they have a **** strategy of trying to push feature updates out to get testing data back from regular users :s security updates need to be separated and far more streamlined - most users wouldn't begrudge or even notice if it took a few extra seconds to install critical security updates at start up. Many feature updates people don't need in any kind of urgent manner - in fact 9/10th of the feature updates lately are things no one has ever asked for or wanted or has a use for, while many useful changes to the OS remain either incomplete or just don't happen...

But at the end of the day MS can't possible account for every manner of which people use their computers and should be accommodating that anything else is just being obnoxious whether intentional or not but I struggle to imagine anyone who actually knows what they are doing development wise can be unaware of the impact.

EDIT: Also you get machines used in all kinds of ways - I've a mini PC which is used to sync file pools and related tasks, which must not reboot itself ever, unfortunately for its use Linux is not an option - I periodically will schedule updates especially if there are critical security updates but it just isn't practical and definitely should not be necessary to manually do updates around every time MS pushes them out even around "patch Tuesdays". (It has 10 Pro on there but even then I currently have to use a cocktail of programs including Shutup 10 and WUB to make it actually usable for that task - there are instances where MS straight up ignores policy settings, etc.).
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
If you haven't set it then that's your fault.
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Many others have already replied to this to confirm why it's wrong so I don't think I need to add to it.

GaryTheSnail said:
Well then maybe they should do micro updates in the background whereby you don't need to reboot.
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This is exactly what Microsoft should be doing, but sadly they seem to have tied everything into the kernel so even a minor update of a minor application wants to force an unnecessary reboot. I'm fairly sure MS promised more modular Windows Updates and less reboots years ago, but clearly never followed through.
Rroff said:
I've a mini PC which is used to sync file pools and related tasks, which must not reboot itself ever, unfortunately for its use Linux is not an option ...
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Luckily for me all of my computers (other than my work laptop and a VM for any testing I might need to do) have been Linux for getting on for 6 years so I am in full control of my machines now and not reliant on some faceless entity that's trying to sell all my info, push bloatware on me and force me to work the way they think I should. Linux distros are also very good at modular design so updating the text editor doesn't require a random restart :). Of course if you'd asked me about Linux 10 or 15 years ago my answer may have been different, though I did try to switch over a few times even back then but gaming was always the issue. Fortunately gaming on Linux is a much better experience now.
 
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Rroff said:
No just no.

Also even if you schedule it with the way MS works it will catch you out sooner or later.



And definitely just NO. The user shouldn't have to ***** about with settings to try and fight MS deciding when it wants to restart the system.

I have no idea why some people defend MS over this.

The only way to comprehensively defeat this is to install Windows Update Blocker and that means you are reliant on 3rd party software with all the potential security considerations of that along with the impact on updates and future compatibility.
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MS developer videos even have the PC that's showing the slides restart for win update halfway through the presentation. Even MS cannot stop that ****.
 
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