*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

I can understand the TPM focus by everyone as thats on the bullet point list but after I hunted around in the Z170 BIOS and changed TPM from h/w to f/w and saw TPM 2.0 in Windows I still got rejected by the W11 checker - the CPU support list is very long for W10 current version but very short for W11.

The Windows Update route to get W11 will use the same list so its no go for older PCs. It might work from ISO if it doesnt check the CPU type

Hopefully some tech sites and channels will catch on to this in a day or so.
 
bulldog147 said:
Another good guides for Windows 11 GPT convert from MBR Secure Boot with TPM 2.0 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/mbr-to-gpt
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MBR to GPT is one thing - hopefully people are already on GPT for UEFI boot with no CSM with W10 to get rBAR working
TPM is another thing - most of us never needed that unless using bitlocker etc
Secure boot is another thing again - as long as the PC is secure boot capable (even if not being used) the W11 checker seems happy
 
jwsg said:
MBR to GPT is one thing - hopefully people are already on GPT for UEFI boot with no CSM with W10 to get rBAR working
TPM is another thing - most of us never needed that unless using bitlocker etc
Secure boot is another thing again - as long as the PC is secure boot capable (even if not being used) the W11 checker seems happy
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But you can have all that and fail because some donut decided to make some latest CPU instruction set a requirement.
 
My Z77 mobo has a TPM header (which I assume is TPM 1.2)

I see nothing in the BIOS about trusted Computing or Security currently. (No TPM installed)

I assume if I was to install a TPM in to this mobo the option would show up in the bios?
 
jwsg said:
MBR to GPT is one thing - hopefully people are already on GPT for UEFI boot with no CSM with W10 to get rBAR working
TPM is another thing - most of us never needed that unless using bitlocker etc
Secure boot is another thing again - as long as the PC is secure boot capable (even if not being used) the W11 checker seems happy
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I know on my two Intel systems I'm on UEFI boot with CSM off but one doesn't have ReBAR. i7-3770K. Though both systems has the option of Secure Boot.

However, the AMD Phenom II x6 1090T is on a classic BIOS Asus board since it is from 2010.
 
something daft already!! said:
My issue seems to be my HDD is not setup as GPT. If I was to backup and reformat the drive and reinstall it will resolve it. Clods of earth that. Maybe later.
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Obv backup first but the conversion MBR to GPT doesnt need a re-format - in fact the only thing that might need a re-install is modern standby - I even went 6700K to 5800X in W10 without a clean install
 
opethdisciple said:
My Z77 mobo has a TPM header (which I assume is TPM 1.2)

I see nothing in the BIOS about trusted Computing or Security currently. (No TPM installed)

I assume if I was to install a TPM in to this mobo the option would show up in the bios?
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Intel PTT has been around since Skylake - maybe as far back as 2013 - I found in Z170 BIOS a setting to change TPM from h/w to f.w - that got TPM 2.0 working in W10 but the W11 checker still failed. Basically any CPU before i7 8xxx (3 or 4 years ago?) is no-go until MS change their minds.

They wanted lots of people to go to W10 but theyve really messed up with the upgrade reqts for W11
 
If all else fails... Maybe I'll just use this as an excuse for a new build upgrade.... I could do with a few more physical cores and 32GB of RAM actually :p

Z170-X Gaming 5 and 6700K OCd currently which has done me well to this day but I could really do with some extra CPU power for photo editing and video transcodes.
 
mrk said:
If all else fails... Maybe I'll just use this as an excuse for a new build upgrade.... I could do with a few more physical cores and 32GB of RAM actually :p

Z170-X Gaming 5 and 6700K OCd currently which has done me well to this day but I could really do with some extra CPU power for photo editing and video transcodes.
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I went 6700K to 5800x mostly to be a better base for a new GPU - except it took until this month to finally get hold of an Ampere GPU. A side effect is that I'm OK for W11

For the older system there is a setting in Z170 BIOS to change TPM from h/w to f/w but thats not enough for the W11 checker - the 6700K is too old for W11 according to MS even though its still perfectly good for most things.
 
jwsg said:
I went 6700K to 5800x mostly to be a better base for a new GPU - except it took until this month to finally get hold of an Ampere GPU. A side effect is that I'm OK for W11

For the older system there is a setting in Z170 BIOS to change TPM from h/w to f/w but thats not enough for the W11 checker - the 6700K is too old for W11 according to MS even though its still perfectly good for most things.
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The hard/soft floors mentioned earlier may be a way out of all this though too, I think people around the net are too focused on this TPM req and CPU support list that this is being missed left right and centre. MS page says as long as hard limits are met, then CPU generation and TPM2.0 not being met (soft floors) will merely prompt a warning advising not to upgrade which will be something worded about security we all know... and will ignore.

If that's the case then I will simply upgrade ignoring the warning and then slowly upgrade mobo and CPU like I have always done. I will need to convert my SSD to GPT though but that conversion tool can do that without any fuss if Windows 11 installer doesn't do that as part of the upgrade anyway. I don't see how GPT is a hard limit though since secure boot/TPM is a soft limit so the need for GPT is a non issue.
 
Though I like the aesthetic in concept - I'm seeing less and less about Windows 11 that makes me actually want to use it and I bet "promised smaller, faster security updates - a common complaint for Windows users - and said they would happen in the background." is meaningless and it will have all the old issues compounded by new ones.

mrk said:
The hard/soft floors mentioned earlier may be a way out of all this though too, I think people around the net are too focused on this TPM req and CPU support list that this is being missed left right and centre. MS page says as long as hard limits are met, then CPU generation and TPM2.0 not being met (soft floors) will merely prompt a warning advising not to upgrade which will be something worded about security we all know... and will ignore.

If that's the case then I will simply upgrade ignoring the warning and then slowly upgrade mobo and CPU like I have always done. I will need to convert my SSD to GPT though but that conversion tool can do that without any fuss if Windows 11 installer doesn't do that as part of the upgrade anyway. I don't see how GPT is a hard limit though since secure boot/TPM is a soft limit so the need for GPT is a non issue.
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Depends a bit how much reliance there is for feature support - if some of the new stuff like Android compatibility requires the soft floor then it might considerably reduce the value of being able to install and run the OS by meeting the minimum requirements of the hard floor.
 
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