Midweek Football Thread. *spoilers* 25-27
- Thread starter Tummy
- Start date
Soldato
Pedersen wasn't booked.
Who cares though, it was funny so it doesn't matter
. He also doesn't play for Arsenal.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 33,188
To be fair, if you look at the England setup, I'd go with Lampard being maybe the most honest, Carrick, Neville, the rest are either diving cheats or frequently shirt pulling, ref shouting defenders.
What I find funny is Celtic going so overboard. We would probably have been 3-0 up before the penalty if the 6-7 clinical pull downs/fouls, shirt tugs when we broke past their players were punished properly and Caldwell at the very least and probably the right winger being sent off already(for multiple cynical yellow card offenses, for which Mobray took Caldwell off because he knew he should be off already).
They lost, they lost big and they are looking for an excuse, while Mobray was very decent after the 1st leg loss which was far more one sided.
The problem is, if he dives again, I'm all for him getting punished. But surely for a first dive you should give the player a chance to change himself, isn't that how the world works, won't he see the result of what he did and decide not to do it again? Or at least, shouldn't he be given the chance, considering last year 100's of dives went unpunished with the 5-6 worst divers doing it almost every single game.
Frankly, if it had been Gerrard, Rooney, or even Lampard diving, there wouldn't be any mention of bans and no one would give a crap.
But for me the problem lies in this, the tackle that broke his legs, and almost ended his career, happened because his feet were planted. IF he jumped up at the point of first contact because he wanted to dive, or because he's incredibly worried about being reinjured and so getting his weight off his feet asap is the first thought in his mind, NO ONE CAN EVER KNOW.
What we can do is judge how he reacts to this and if he does it again. If he becomes a repeat offender, ban him, suspend him, fine him, I'll be the first guy asking for it.
Frankly for any player, making their first mistake I'd not jump into bans, let alone someone who did feel some contact and could well have been trying to minimise injury.
Take Eboue as an example, historically, he's gotten very very few cards, couple reds total and 1-2 yellows a year. But he was acused of being a bit girly, going down and making a meal of getting up, waving the fake cards around.
Since that last sending off when people really laid into him he's had a massive turnaround, despite having a very good record in terms of yellows/reds anyway.
Give him a damn chance and condemn him if he deserves it, like I said, I can't name a player who hasn't dived once. Repeat and the worst offenders should be punished.
Last edited:
Man of Honour
Blimey, you could have passed a GCSE exam with all that.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6812290.ece
I love the tag for the photo 'Eduardo went down despite appearing not to make contact with Artur Boruc' when even in the photo you can clearly see Boruc has his hand on Eduardo's foot.
I love the tag for the photo 'Eduardo went down despite appearing not to make contact with Artur Boruc' when even in the photo you can clearly see Boruc has his hand on Eduardo's foot.
Man of Honour
You must be looking at a different picture to me. Maybe they rotate them.
The only contact that was made was Eduardo when he shifted his foot out towards the keeper. Similar style of dive to a plethora of Gerrard dives.
He was already on the way down there.
How you can even begin to have the cahunas to keep defending him astounds me
Soldato
Ok McMav, I see it now and I hope Celtic ban that idiot from ever watching the team again. Still, you have no right to point fingers in regard to ONE stupid fan.
Yes it was an awful dive but the level of venom from the media at the moment is a joke. We all know UEFA will investigate it, side with the referee, then that will be that. What needs to be addressed is some sort of quick system where the referee is told within seconds after the event by someone watching a tv replay whether it was a penalty or not and then the decision can be made. Referees need help, they are not infallible and can get things wrong. And in the same instance the player feigning injury or a tackle can be punished there and then giving the other team the advantage during the actual game. FIFA, UEFA and the FA all fall back on their outdated rules and side with referee's decisions as final. Until that changes we will be witnessing unsporting behaviour for the foreseeable future.
Last edited:
DM, you've been on the forums when Gerrard has been hung out to dry for diving, by many football fans.
Lampard & Rooney would face the same treatment that Eduardo faced from me, I can't speak for the other posters / media. Diving is wrong, doesn't matter who you are.
Football fans are not out to get Arsenal, you cheated, and imo should face whatever punishment they decide to give you, might stop you're players ( and other players ) diving and cheating in future. Yes diving has happened before, and will probably continue to happen, but I would like to see it stamped out, and if it starts at Arsenal, oh well.
Arsenal seem to have been pretty lucky so far this season, and that's what's been missing in the last few years, we've had some appalling luck with refereeing decisions and injuries. Hopefully it will continue this season and start to restore some balance.
As for the performance, Eduardo looked a little out of sorts with his finishing. He should get a retrospective one match ban for the dive IMO. Bendtner was largely abysmal, and Denilson not much better. Vermaelen looked solid again, I can forgive him getting done once out wide. Diaby had another hit-and-miss game, I'd say Gallas for motm perhaps.
As for the performance, Eduardo looked a little out of sorts with his finishing. He should get a retrospective one match ban for the dive IMO. Bendtner was largely abysmal, and Denilson not much better. Vermaelen looked solid again, I can forgive him getting done once out wide. Diaby had another hit-and-miss game, I'd say Gallas for motm perhaps.
Yeah those Pro-IRA songs for 90 minutes certainly added to the family atmosphere.
Whats this new one you are singing, something about Tony Mowbray and the IRA?.
Missed the lyrics but my feet were tapping along.
yeah yeah and your fans are halo wearing saints, im 100% certain it was NOT 90mins of pro ira songs from us, however lets not have this descend into a ' your a bigger bigot then me ' competition, suffice to say I've read 3 different papers today and NONE have commented on any 'questionable' singing from the away end.
The alleged laser pen incident I cant condone and if confirmed then the fan(s) responsible want banned tbh.