Migrants - Italy making a stand

VincentHanna said:
I wasn't saying you did, but that's what Italy is now inferring.

I mean I know they cause problems on small Italian and Greek Islands, but at least those countries have the resources to cope. Malta wouldn't have a hope in hells chance.
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Well actually I think both countries were probably right to turn them away, the NGO should have just taken them to Libya.

IF a ship is close to Malta though when they run into difficulties then Malta should take them in. The thing is plenty of these rescues are as a result of deliberately getting into difficulties knowing full well that a sea worthy NGO ship will be on hand to actually facilitate the journey to an EU country. Thats the sneaky part... these are economic migrants wanting to enter the EU, they pay people smugglers who then don't even need to take them far as they know they will be "rescued" just off the coast. It isn't too surprising that some countries might eventually object to this practice.

Italy was a bit more welcoming before as they knew plenty of the migrants were just passing through (so didn't care) - I remember watching a documentary years ago where "refugees" from the balkans were being collected and Italian authorities were advising Albanians "When you get to the UK, say you're from Kosovo..." etc.. Now however with the likes of France etc.. putting in checks at the border migrants who arrive in Italy can find themselves stuck and the Italians don't like it.
 
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Thing is these boats that keep rocking up in Italy with 100s of migrants on-board are not sanctioned. They are operating independently so Italy is well within their right to turn them away. They dump them on the the shore for Italy to deal with, then sail off to collect more. The locals are quite rightly annoyed.

They are practically ferrying them across the sea and the migrants know it's going on. They are encouraging more people to make the trip.

Spain taking them is fine for now, assuming they are going to home them in some of the areas which are turning in to ghost towns and in dire need of people. Not pile them on the major cities.
 
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I reckon we round up all these NGOs and put them in the countries where these migrants come from so they can make these places more desirable to live in instead.
 
I am afraid Salvini is having a similar problem to Trump with Liberal mayors trying to flout his stance. As for people saying they are from Libya, that's generally untrue, they embark from Libya but are from a vast array of African countries and many / most should be viewed as economic migrants who could and should enter through the correct legal channels. I don't see many elderly or disabled either, the majority are fit, but economically undesirable young men... Hopefully these NGO's can be brought to heel, I suspect some if not most of them are making an illicit fortune from these sailings.
 
Well there was a lot of controversy around this not long ago.... basically NGO's / Charities were effectively picking up migrants and ferrying them accross breaking the rules (supposed to send them back I think etc memory is bit hazy). Basically just offering a taxi service for illegal immigrants......

So I don't blame Italians at all for not wanting it to happen anymore in any form. It's about time the Italy did something about it.
 
I guess these NGO's had some sort of conscious where they didn't want people (men, women and children) drowning.

Unlike the traffickers who take their money, overload them on boats and don't give a toss.
 
robfosters said:
They say it’s their responsibility to avert a humanitarian crisis, but then what about the next one and the next one? When do they say enoughs enough?
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In my opinion if a country is producing wave after wave wafter wave of migrants, I would be inclided to see it as a right to occupy said country, to make it stable and economically viable, then have the country pay affordable reparations for a period of time.
 
robfosters said:
What’s your opinions on the Italian government refusing to allow the migrant rescue ship Aquarius permissi9n to dock in Italy? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44432056

Over 600 migrants are on board and some of them are not in great physical condition. Italy has said Malta should take them, but they are refusing, so the ship is currently stranded in the Mediterranean awaiting further instruction. Apparently a second ship has also picked up migrants now.

It’s a tricky 9ne, Italy just can’t keep taking wave after wave of migrants, but they won’t stop coming. It could turn into an even bigger humanitarian crisis with swathes of migrant carrying ships stuck in the med. Italy should at least take the ones with physical problems, like the elderly and disabled.

One thing is certain though, this Salvini fellow means business.
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Good for Italy, albeit a few years too late.

The 3rd world will continue to help itself to the 1st world until it's stopped with force. We owe them nothing.
 
VincentHanna said:
I guess these NGO's had some sort of conscious where they didn't want people (men, women and children) drowning.

Unlike the traffickers who take their money, overload them on boats and don't give a toss.
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I don't have much preference between criminal people smugglers and ngo's acting 'compassionately' (in their view) by actively promoting and facilitating illegal migration.

Both need to be clamped down on hard in my opinon.....

You will never solve the problems of the countries these people are leaving by continuing to incentivise their younger more dymanic citizens to up sticks and move illegally to Europe. And with population demographics from a lot of the source countries where their population numbers are roughly doubling every generation its only a matter of time before the host countries subject to the effects NGO's vicarious virtue signalling start to more closely resemble the failed states the migrants are leaving.
 
Should send hack to when they are bloody coming from, to whatever country the boat came from.

The marjory of these people are economic migrants, only a few of them are honestly escaping from civil war or other threats to life.

If the host country refuses to take them back, then we should force the matter upon them, it's not like they can resist that AND, it's not like we used force before.
 
All this reminds me of a Stevie wonder job, blind to life but plays black and white keys of a piano. :)

The way things are going Europe is screwed.1.2 billon Africans and Europe has a population of 741 million, good luck! :p
 
itchy said:
All this reminds me of a Stevie wonder job, blind to life but plays black and white keys of a piano. :)

The way things are going Europe is screwed.1.2 billon Africans and Europe has a population of 741 million, good luck! :p
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Its all ebony and ivory over there, all they need is that get onto higher ground.
 
You can't tell by the picture in that link but I saw a similar story yesterday on the main news (maybe it's sister ship?) and the boat was full of migrants and it's all men. I wonder what happened to all the women?

All honesty the world doesn't care what Italy does, if Italy forced the boats to drop them back in Libya or another north African country nobody would care.
 
jsmoke said:
Its all ebony and ivory over there, all they need is that get onto higher ground.
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Pmsl:) I forgot about that song, but as you will know ivory farming is banned across the world. Unless it was taken before 1946.

Ironically Ebony is not banned. :p
 
Moses said:
Are they Libyan? If not, why's it wrong for them to be forced on Europe but okay for them to be forced on Libya?
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If they're "rescued" off the coast of Libya then it might be more reasonable for the NGO to simply put them back onto dry land rather than acting like a taxi service and thus encouraging more boats to require rescuing a few miles off the coast.
 
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