Man of Honour
Are you using the word factoid correctly? I'm not sure which way around you meant this to be.
OED said:
Militant secularisation threat to religion, says Warsi
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Are you using the word factoid correctly? I'm not sure which way around you meant this to be.
Permabanned
That is just incorrect. Based on my readings the church was not directly responsible for the technological progression of man kind in anyway. At every step it was individuals desire for knowledge and information that was the factor that encouraged progression. Unless you have an example that i am not aware of where the church and religion contributed to what could be considered a technological progression for mankind?
I personally disagree, I see no real point in embracing our religious heritage and actually feel we should be breaking more of it down. Please note that is very different from acknowledging our religious heritage which obviously we should do, both the good and the bad.
It seems to me that Warsi is railing against the fact the special protections that religion has are slowly being eroded and it is being considered just another belief system. But then I also find it somewhat hypocritical of her to rail against perceived discrimination against religion when she herself is happy to discriminate against other groups.
Let me just get this straight. Are you honestly arguing that any good done by the church is actually done by individuals yet any bad done by the church is due to the church itself? Because this argument in reverse is used to defend religion and is a bit rubbish then too.
But I see nothing stopping people from doing this. So effectively Warsi is saying "People should be free to do something they are already free to do!" Which seems a bit pointless. However the point of Baroness Warsi seems to be "Token Female Muslim Tory" so I shouldn't be suprised.
Soldato
Having just checked it appears I am not.
Last time I try and use modern parlance to "get down with the kids".
Forsooth my tongue shall never again speaketh such balderdash.
Man of Honour
I don't think religion should be taught in school simply because there are far too many religious organizations and too many God's to speak of so this would in itself create confusion, but, on the other hand if Evolution science is taught in schools then the teachers should teach at least do their homework and teach what it can teach us and what it can't, it should be taught as a theory and not a fact. I believe it is very disingenuous to teach kids that we evolved from monkeys/apes or ape like creatures as fact.
Soldato
The pope doesn't live in a palace. He lives in an apartment.
Permabanned
Well the big bang theory is debatable of course and it is not a universally accepted theory of the origin of the universe. Co incidentally it also fits in with the idea of a singularity that the universe was created by a god who did a big bang and everything was. There are other theories for the creation of the universe that are not so widely heard of. That of a sporadic and organic growth of the universe and not one singularity. But we did see at the turn of the 20th century the religious institutions try and "save face" by trying to incorporate their belief systems in with scientific theory and this still goes on today. However i fail to see how this contribute to the progression of mankind. It sounds to me like it was more an effort to modernise the belief systems and actually contributes to a distortion and misuse of science.
Yes, I went out last week and stoned several homosexuals to death.
Soldato
The pope lives in an apartment. The apartment is located in the Vatican. There is a difference.
The Queen has a number of staff who reside at Buckingham Palace. You wouldn't describe any of them as living in a palace would you?
Looking back at the religious wars, the extension of the Dark ages through societal and scientific oppression and the backward thinking of current political leaders (not allowing condoms for your flock in the third world, Mr Pope? Calling another Fatwa, mr Mufti?) I would consider myself anti-religion, but I also believe in the right of individuals to choose from themselves if they want religion to lean on or not.
Look on the bright side chaps, at least Christianity has bootstrapped itself up to the modern age. If we were living in a Sharia law country, everyone who wrote in this thread would probably be being tortured by the state at the moment!
Look on the bright side chaps, at least Christianity has bootstrapped itself up to the modern age. If we were living in a Sharia law country, everyone who wrote in this thread would probably be being tortured by the state at the moment!
But none of these other self help books you suggest actually work though do they, i mean take a good look at the terrible state of this world, what book other than the Bible can bring true peace and security for the people?.
To be fair,
The Church doesn't do anything - it simply preaches a set of values (which have changed over time), some of which had have a positive impact others a negative.
Negative & positive things are done in the name of & against religion from all sides, but what we should be doing is challenging the negative things.
I don't think the "promotion of charity" should be our highest concern, but the promotion of homophobia, backwards scientific ideas & the covering up of the molestation of children from various religious groups.
The problem with religious values is that religion can make a good person do terrible things - as if our data in invalid our decision making process is also.
To use an example,
Mentally ill children with tourettes.
A loving family if they genuinely believed in possession would think drowning the child would save it's eternal soul.
In the eyes of the parents this act is moral, because they are acting off a flawed view of reality it stop them from making a rational judgement.
Add in modern understanding.
Which now indicates that tourettes is an inherited neuropsychiatric disorder,
The behaviour of the adults in question would now change to a caring moral duty, all that has changed is the data & information to act off.
Religion overall denies this kind of advancement at every turn, morality isn't some fixed system in which we call all follow mindlessly, but a constantly changing set of values based off information provided.
If it was determined that child abuse was 100% the cause of all murder (not really this is an example), would we then view murderers in the same light?, would we stop demonising them & put efforts in place to ensure they don't develop?.
Obviously, that's a made up example - but that kind of progression isn't possible with black/white morality which religion promotes.
Soldato
What is your problem with that?