Militant secularisation threat to religion, says Warsi

Burnsy2023 said:
Evolution is proven, you can actually see it happen and you don't understand the definition of a scientific theory. A scientific theory is not the same as what is commonly used as a theory, which scientists would refer to as a hypothesis.
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The largest single religion in the world* is perfectly happy to believe in Evolution.



*The Roman Catholic Church - c1billion members
 
spudbynight said:
The largest single religion in the world* believes in Evolution.



*The Roman Catholic Church - c1billion members
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Yeah you're playing the numbers game, just because great numbers of people follow a particular religious practice or none religious practice does not make it right or the truth.
 
Nitefly said:
They aren't above criticism. A religious person should be able to deal with criticism and criticism should be issued when due. That is not to say that people shouldn't have the confidence to express themselves in the first place.
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Surely that is their problem though? If they feel that they cannot express their religious beliefs because it may get criticised then why do they feel they can express their political beliefs or moral beliefs?
 
kedge said:
Can you highlight some of this worthless progression please? and can you at least explain exactly what religios denomination you're talking about?.
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The church was responsible for the suppression of science and information through out history. The belief systems themselves prevents people from investigating big questions and traps people in to a guilt and reward based mental prison. I am talking about all the belief systems.
 
groen said:
I have respect for people and common decency but I do not offer that same respect to the religions of the world. They are worthless and work against the progression of mankind and have held back man for 1000s of years. Religions and their followers do not deserve respect for being religious. I respect them for being people like everyone else. I never said anything about wanting to offend people, way to twist my words like a religious fanatic.
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Like a religious fanatic? LOL

FYI, I would describe myself as an agnostic for a few reasons, one of which is so I don't associate myself with atheists such as yourself.
 
groen said:
The church was responsible for the suppression of science and information through out history. The belief systems themselves prevents people from investigating big questions and traps people in to a guilt and reward based mental prison. I am talking about all the belief systems.
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But you can't blame me or many others for that mate, i don't belong to any church, but i have tested the bibles council and it does work but it is not easy.
 
Any listen to Richard Dawkins making a fool of himself this morning?

Dawkins was invited on to talk about new research published by his Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science: a poll showing that people who profess to be Christian don't practice their faith very much and know little about it, or don't believe in its core tenets; and another showing that even Christians don't think religion should have any special influence over public policy. Dawkins was debating the issue with Giles Fraser, the priest who resigned from St Paul's Cathedral at the end of last year, and Fraser kebabbed him quite effectively by challenging to quote the full title of Darwin's Origin of the Species. Dawkins struggled, which was embarrassing because his poll had cited the people being unable to name the first book of the New Testament as evidence of their not being proper Christians. But the real problem was that, judging from Twitter, Dawkins' tone seems to have infuriated a lot of people who you might expect to be sympathetic to his case. Here are some examples.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/feb/14/georgeosborne-edballs#block-12
 
groen said:
The church was responsible for the suppression of science and information through out history. The belief systems themselves prevents people from investigating big questions and traps people in to a guilt and reward based mental prison. I am talking about all the belief systems.
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The flipside is that the church was also responsible for quite a bit of education and scientific discovery during that time period too. Taking a "Church bad for science" view is a touch simplistic. There is no doubt that organised religion has and can be bad for science at times, but it is not a binary state, at times they have also been at the forefront of scientific exploration.
 
RDM said:
The flipside is that the church was also responsible for quite a bit of education and scientific discovery during that time period too. Taking a "Church bad for science" view is a touch simplistic. There is no doubt that organised religion has and can be bad for science at times, but it is not a binary state, at times they have also been at the forefront of scientific exploration.
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Indeed, most religions I know of teach that man makes mistakes but is also capable of doing great work.
 
RDM said:
The flipside is that the church was also responsible for quite a bit of education and scientific discovery during that time period too. Taking a "Church bad for science" view is a touch simplistic. There is no doubt that organised religion has and can be bad for science at times, but it is not a binary state, at times they have also been at the forefront of scientific exploration.
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Indeed. Like any subject this complicated, things are rarely black and white.
 
I did not blame you directly.

Well it is one thing to use the bible as a self help book, there are loads of those, you can get them on amazon they will make you feel better about yourself and probably far more sophisticated and effective in that respect than a 2000 year old story book.

Worst are the liberals, who say they are not religious but refuse to denounce the religious. That is half the battle for the truly anti-religious is the moderates. They give credence to the belief systems by not speaking out against them.
 
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