Mindless youth of today

What happened 15 years ago...

I think also there is a split in the youth of society.

I think I mentioned the point on the government thread, that manual labour jobs/courses started to be looked down on by the government during the 1990s. Blair promoting "Education, Education, Education" made it worse because then young people were expected to go to college/uni. But what about the kids who were struggling in school? The prospect of doing any college/uni courses was a lost cause. They would have been much better going in to apprentice courses and other non-academic courses.

I don't know what its like these days but at 14, 15, 16 years old people knew whether they were academic or not. If they wasn't and had problems society looked down on them. For their self confidence they probably thought bad of themselves too. There wasn't many other options back then if you didn't want to go in to education. You'd literally leave school and, unless you happened to get a job somewhere, that's it.. you're walking the streets unemployed.

When people talk about the working class, most of them were doing manual jobs in the industrial heartlands in different parts of the country. They were proud to be part of something. Proud to get an honest days pay for an honest days work. Those people these days (or at least end of the 90s in to the 00's) have very few options, and when society makes them feel like a loser, then they start to not care about anyone else.

There is a lack of respect. But part of respect is to give people who aren't academic an equally self worth valuable job path.
 
All on CCTV a couple of days ago I had two lads standing at the end of my drive.
The lights have come on and one of them is saying "Is that a Ring? I want to press it".
His mate says "There are other cameras" and they move away a bit but the first lad is insistent he wants to ring my Ring.
He then pulls his hood up, runs at my door, rings it and runs off :)
I can't wait for them to get into proper illegal activity.

Knock DOwn Ginger was the preferred sport of the youth in the 80's. I would take that over a brick through the lounge window TBH
 
Knock DOwn Ginger was the preferred sport of the youth in the 80's. I would take that over a brick through the lounge window TBH
My missus, from a working class area, gave me a right ribbing as I called it “ding dong dash”. She calls it “knock door run”.
Apparently doorbells were a luxury in her day!
 
I think also there is a split in the youth of society.

I think I mentioned the point on the government thread, that manual labour jobs/courses started to be looked down on by the government during the 1990s. Blair promoting "Education, Education, Education" made it worse because then young people were expected to go to college/uni. But what about the kids who were struggling in school? The prospect of doing any college/uni courses was a lost cause. They would have been much better going in to apprentice courses and other non-academic courses.

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There is a lack of respect. But part of respect is to give people who aren't academic an equally self worth valuable job path.

Parity of esteem between academic and vocational courses is like a bad joke.

Looking back, I would have been much happier (and financially better off?) if I had been a plumber. Instead I got pushed to do a levels, which I hated.
 
Parity of esteem between academic and vocational courses is like a bad joke.

Looking back, I would have been much happier (and financially better off?) if I had been a plumber. Instead I got pushed to do a levels, which I hated.
I hear you on that. The careers officer at my school used to advise anyone not sure of what to do (he never showed us the options) to do business studies at college.
 
Mainly Muslim countries IIRC. I thought you weren't a fan of the religion.

If you were to search my posts on here I have publicly admitted to liking some facets of the Muslim religion. This is yet another example of people over simplifying things, the absence of shades of grey whilst seeing only in monochrome. It's rampant in the Ukraine thread. Any suggestion of seeing anything from Russia's position is met with open hostility.

Where have the great thinkers and negotiators like Henry Kissenger gone, a man who could see a solution that wouldn't be loved by either side, but palatable enough to usurp an ongoing crisis and offer an escape to something like normality, that both sides might reluctantly fall in behind?

If he'd worked in plain black and white he'd never have achieved what he did....
 
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