Mistakes of this console generation

[Chiribo]

On the 360, when they run out, I can just put in more batteries... I would have to plug the PS3 ones in, and I bet the cable isn't long enough to stretch for me.

The PS3 batteries last longer due to energy not being wasted on rumble. And I personally do have a cable that's more than long enough, so not problem for me there. Besides, I can quite happily plug the controllers in for a charge while I'm watching a Blu-ray movie.


You know the one thing I probably somewhat like about the 360? The replaceable face plate. Sure it's a gimmick and a half, but at least I've gotten rid of that ugly off white faceplate and replaced it with the Bioshock one that came with the game.

 

[Baz]

You know the one thing I probly somewhat like about the 360? The replaceable face plate. Sure it's a gimmick and a half, but at least I've gotten rid of that ugly off white faceplate and replaced it with the Bioshock one that came with the game.

Didn't know it came off....

At least then you can paint it yourself if you wish..

 

[SiD the Turtle]

360's packaging, god damn its hard getting into. Even scissors struggle!

Agreed! I still have a scar from opening the packaging of a VGA cable a few days ago.

 

[Inazuma]

So I guess I'm the only guy that thought the This is Living ads were really cool?

having to connect your wireless controllers to sync them to the console,

Btw I really dont see how walking a few steps to your console, once per new controller, and plugging it in to sync is a negative at all :/

And lmao yeh why are 360 packages so hard to get into

 

[mcwildcard]

Hmmm, some debatable and outright incorrect PS3 points here tbh...

[1]PS3: Installing games. The other extreme of the hard drive issue, this takes away the 'spontaneity' of console gaming.
[2]PS3: Where are the games? Every time someone debates that in fact the PS3 has great games, they always say the same three examples: MGS4, GT5, FFXIII. Which aren't even out yet.
[3]PS3: ...having to connect your wireless controllers to sync them to the console

1 - Installing a game to the hard drive when you first load up the game doesn't remove the 'spontaneity' of console gaming. It's a minor inconvenience, that you only have to do once and only a few games give you the option anyway.
2 - Off the top of my head; Uncharted, Warhawk, Tekken DR: Online, Super Stardust HD, Locoroco Cocoreccho
3 - That's nit-picking, next you'll be saying it's a minus having to manually open that pesky flap to insert a flash card.

PS3: No real AAA games this far on into the console life is a mistake.. could turn out to be a big one.. we will see

Uncharted is AAA, without a doubt.
Doesn't change the valid point that there should be more than that by now, but thought I'd point out that single discrepancy

PS3 is overpriced and Fugly as hell, plus the controllers are naff and you can't use rechargables in them.

Design is a matter of opinion, I think the PS3 looks lovely, I personally think it's well priced if you also take into account all the non-gaming use you can get out of it and wtf are you talking about with the controller batteries?
The sixaxis pads have a rechargable cell built into them, so there's no need to buy any batteries at all.

 

[yaboy]

All 360 needed to do was

HDD, HDMI, Wireless, Cheaper Subs to Gold as standard then it'll pwn

but to me it dont matter since i got all that apart from cheap sub of course

 

[Mr Latte]

a lot of the things mentioned forget important factors:

Production deadline
They wanted the next Xbox to be first released and get a head start. Design wise this perhaps meant they didnt perspone the system with improved cooling etc. Microsoft can afford the issues with replacing and repairing,what was important to them was gaining a much larger percentage of the market and they succeeded.

BD or HD-DVD.
Hold on a minute are you forgetting what price these were during the release of the X360. Dont forget though that you got 512MB of ram on your graphics, you got Triple CORE CPU and the first console to properly incorporate wireless controllers. At the time the spec was quite incredible, particulary for the price.

20 GIG HD Too Small
I dont think this was really too small at the start at all.
It was the largest of any console at the time and you have to remember they are making this console to a set price and actually losing money on each one for a long time before components/production improves to a point before they see any profits in manufacturing.

Gripes with the X360
Too noisey, reliability should have been better, lessons will have been learned.
Wireless should now be standard and incorporated. Accesories like the wireless and the hard-drives are too expensive (need to make money somewhere i guess)
Eventually Live costs will have to reduce and this imo will happen as they now will get more money from increased services like movie downloads etc.

PS3
A fine example of how high price will discourage sales.
Sonys mamagement is shabby, how its treated its loyal fans with their boasts and lies with constant changes regards what the system could do, and when it would have certain games. They should have had at least one Killer APP title at the start it really would have got them off to a better start.

I applaud their Blu Ray movie playback
This is still the best reason to buy the system and imo its what will eventually make the system the best selling console. The fact that from a BD movie player it plays movies so well. Also their updates its nice to see the XMB and the system get quite a few upgrades/fixes. They do however need to sort many things to catch Microsofts multitasking options and greatly improve the online. Microsoft have led and dictated what you can and cant do online , so lets hope "Home" has a few surprises.
PS3 i wish added more features to the XMB as its the closest thing to a decent multimedia HTPC interface and with its easy Hard-drive upgrading and nice (yet unsed by me) PSP compatibility.

Competition is good it forces both companies/brands to compete better.

My idieal console is a console that takes the best from both X360 and PS3
I cant pick a favourite

 

[SiD the Turtle]

Hmmm, some debatable and outright incorrect PS3 points here tbh...

Nothing incorrect in what you noted, just debatable

 

[mcwildcard]

The online is free because people wouldn't pay for it as its not that good, Live is a much better service that I am happy to pay for because it does work.

Try Tekken DR :Online, Warhawk, COD4, Burnout...
All work excellently. No charge.

...the controller is better,

Again, opinion, I've never got on with the XBox pads, but would never claim the Sony pads are 'better'. I just find they suit me better.

...the load times are shorter than the PS3, due to the slow rate of data transfer from a BD.. Sony messed up with the PS3, like MS did with the original Xbox.

Load times vary, some are quicker on the PS3, some are quicker on the 360.
Stop making sweeping generalisations.

 

[TheMightyTen]

A What? I was just stating facts

No you are stating your opinion, that's subtley different to a fact

 

[mcwildcard]

Nothing incorrect in what you noted, just debatable

I was thinking of the rechargable battery point!
The rest was debatable.

 

[yaboy]

Fanboy wars :/

= fail thread.

but to add fuel, live > psn

 

[SiD the Turtle]

Competition is good it forces both companies/brands to compete better.

My idieal console is a console that takes the best from both X360 and PS3
I cant pick a favourite

Agreed and also the point of the thread. What mistakes have been made so that the companies can learn from them for next time?

 

[Dutch Guy]

I don't mind a small installation when I first play a game, it only takes a few minutes, after that it is just as easy as popping in the disc to play games.
If I get a message that my controller is almost empty I switch to my 2nd controller or get out a USB cable and play wired, no big deal at all.

The main issue I have is that they treat us Europeans like crap, they should bring out PSN stuff at the same time or at least close together.

 

[Baz]

Try Tekken DR :Online, Warhawk, COD4, Burnout...
All work excellently. No charge.

OK, fair enough, not used PSN as much as Live,

Load times vary, some are quicker on the PS3, some are quicker on the 360.
Stop making sweeping generalisations.

It isn't a "sweeping generalization"

"Admittedly, Blu-Ray looks dicey from several non-capacity angles. Blu-Ray movies require a 1.5x Blu-Ray drive, or 54Mbits/second. Sony announced that PS3 uses a 2x BD drive, which is 72Mbits/second or 9MB/second. The Xbox 360 uses a 12x DVD, which should give it about 16MB/second. That is significantly faster for games and will result in shorter load times. And that 12x DVD drive should be a whole lot cheaper. (Note that the PS3 drive will do 8x DVD, and even that is faster than 2x BD.)"

Taken from here

I can find more if you like

 

[mcwildcard]

It isn't a "sweeping generalization"

Taken from here

I can find more if you like [/I]

Apart from the fact that article pre-dates the release of the console, the PS3 has it's hard drive as standard, which can be used to avoid that particular issue.
HDD access>DVD access>Blu Ray access.

 

[Scort]

Exclusives, there are a few, Halo3 is excellent, PGR series, Forza, and when you look at the DLC for GTA4, its the obvious choice

For me, out of the list you give, Forza is the only good game there, the DLC content for GTA - who knows what it will be, wasn't there rumours a while ago that this was simply the stuff that wouldn't fit on the DVD?

The 360 looks great, the ps3 looks like a retro Video player, its hideous.

Of the two, I think the PS3 looks better, not sure what it is that does it, but I personally prefer the PS3's looks.

On the 360, when they run out, I can just put in more batteries... I would have to plug the PS3 ones in, and I bet the cable isn't long enough to stretch for me.

True, I have a second battery in the 360 charge dock thingy, and a swap only takes seconds, but plugging the cable into the PS3 is hardly a chore.

The online is free because people wouldn't pay for it as its not that good, Live is a much better service that I am happy to pay for because it does work.

I agree with you on this too, the PSN thingy at the moment is a bit of a joke imo, coming from what I have grown used to on Live - no XMB for example.

When looking at the same games, the Graphics are better (usually) on the 360, the controller is better, and the load times are shorter than the PS3, due to the slow rate of data transfer from a BD.

Can't say I have noticed a difference in graphics to date, and from your earlier comment "I bet the cable isn't long enough to stretch for me", I'm guessing you don't have a PS3; so I think you're being mislead by reviews here.

As for the Blu Ray data transfer comment, have you anything to back that claim up, not saying I doubt you, but again, you could just be being mislead by reviews/opinions.

Sony messed up with the PS3, like MS did with the original Xbox.

I wasn't into consoles in that 'gen' so can't really agree or disagree on this point, I personally feel that MS messed up by rushing to beat Sony - resulting in us owners having to put up with little storage space, unreliable hardware and our once 'Premium' consoles being replaced by something 'elite'

From what I read about PS3 before getting one, I disliked the way that they thought of the consumer; telling the press that they could price it at whatever they wanted, as we would buy it, wasn’t exactly clever imo.

Please don't take this as flames, I couldn't care less about either console, they simply pass time for me when I'm bored.

Scort.

 

[KennyBhoy]

I don't mind a small installation when I first play a game, it only takes a few minutes, after that it is just as easy as popping in the disc to play games.

Shane Bettenhausen on a recent 1up Yours podcast said the Devil May Cry 4 installation took "around" 45 mins and i don't think he was joking

Ninja Gaiden Sigma offers it to reduce loading times, which is good if don't mind using the HDD space.......In Devil May Cry 4 it stops loading times altogether apparently, which has to be good

 

[Chiribo]

Ohh come on, quoting a site like joystiq who can't even give the divx/xvid playback feature a proper test without dissing the ps3 at first available chance ?

Needless to say I'm not a fan of most online media outlets either Although the 1up media group video / audio podcasts do rule

 

[SiD the Turtle]

Guys, can you stop turning this into a 360 vs PS3 debate and answer in the format I asked for in the OP, or I'll asked the thread to be closed as there are 50 bjillion other threads that debate this issue at length.