Monaco Grand Prix 2010, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

[stockhausen]

A driver sees flags and does the corresponding.
Maybe drivers should carry on friving past the chequered flag as it might not be right, or maybe when black flagged should carry on as it might be wrong, or when blue flagged; carry on regardless.

The fact is, the flags were green, so the race was on as far as the drivers on the track were concerned.

You can rest on technicalities as much as you like.

It’s hardly surprising other teams were of the opinion that it would not be allowed. McLaren quite clearly told Lewis Hamilton:

Lewis this is the last lap of the race we’ll be finishing behind the safety car. No overtaking.​

McLaren team radio (LINK)

Maybe Ross Brawn is getting too old and doesn't keep in touch wih his old buddy when he is busy; maybe Schumacher's hearing is shot

Brawn and Schumacher took a chance, they didn't get away with it, they should just accept their punishment like gentlemen . . . Oh . . . no, that's not going to happen is it?

 

[Westyfield2]

Jake has an iPad... geek, nerd, lamer

All the cool kids have them


Was quite good though having mine on mclaren.com for the team radio etc during the race. The map of where the cars are on the track was the only bit that didn't work on it.

 

[Glaucus]

Brawn and Schumacher took a chance, they didn't get away with it, they should just accept their punishment like gentlemen . . . Oh . . . no, that's not going to happen is it?

Why should they, they have not broken any rules.

That rule only applies if the race ends under SC conditions. It will peel in and they can't race. That is not what happened. The SC peeled in and racing resumed.

That rules is a legacy, but even now the conditions for that rule were not met.

 

[Baboonanza]

Personally I think it should be allowed, why would they want to rule against anything that adds excitment to the sport?

But even if you decide it's against the rules, the combination of the rules and marshalling is clearly and undisputably confusing or people wouldn't still be arguing about it. In light of that it's ridiculous to give Shumi such a harsh penalty, they should have just swapped the places back and rewritten the rules. I hope they win their appeal as well, it's an idiotic decision that does nothing positive for the sport.

And as to the rule about being able to appeal the decision but not the penalty, presumably this means that if they successfully appeal the decision the penalty will be dropped. What they can't do is appeal to change the type or severity of the penalty, which makes sense or you'd have an appeal after every single decision.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Right, I've screen captured Massa's pitstop.

 

[Glaucus]

mehh marginal, he's on it, but didn't really cross it. Any precedence set for such an infraction. As long as they are consistence that's the main thing.

 

[Kenai]

And as to the rule about being able to appeal the decision but not the penalty, presumably this means that if they successfully appeal the decision the penalty will be dropped. What they can't do is appeal to change the type or severity of the penalty, which makes sense or you'd have an appeal after every single decision.

No because it's classed as a 'drive through' penalty, despite being applied after the race it is deemed to be unchangeable (as an actual drive through would be) and so even if Merc win an appeal it won't change anything regarding the result/points. It's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[stockhausen]

... It's absolutely ridiculous.

Qite possibly, but if you are going to have a ridiculous rule applied in ridiculous circumstance,
it simply couldn't happen to anyone more appropriate than Herr Schumacher

 

[Baz]

Found out the reason MS got penalised...


linky

 

[Duke]

Found out the reason MS got penalised...


linky

 

[sunama]

Oh and I need to slap, hit and then kick the commentators. They kept saying the back teams should let alonso through, that they where in a different race. Actually no they aren't, they are in the same race and have every right to fight for position. Regardless of who is behind them.

I agree with Eddie Jordan on this one.

I think it was the Virgin cars who absolutely destroyed their tyres and car trying to stay ahead of Alonso. I think DiGrassi in particular was driving right on the limit of what his car was capable of. By doing this, he would've actually lost a lot of ground to the cars he was "actually" in a race with. Also, he risked going off the track and making a mistake.

Of course, the driver is not to blame for this - a decision on whether to let Alonso through without a fight, has to come from the top. Di Grassi did nothing wrong.

 

[stockhausen]

Found out the reason MS got penalised...

linky

Welcome to the 21st century

 

[sunama]

Shumacher fell foul of the little-known but oft-used Article 40:3377274-7732425, Subsection 873286368 of the Formula One Sporting Regulations, which states: "Overtaking is not permitted under any circumstances if the car ahead is a Ferrari. Additionally, all cars are required to permit Ferraris to pass under all circumstances".

Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali said, "our understanding of the rule is pretty clear - you can't overtake the red cars. Simples."

FANTASTIC!!!

 

[Zip]

I agree with Eddie Jordan on this one.

I think it was the Virgin cars who absolutely destroyed their tyres and car trying to stay ahead of Alonso. I think DiGrassi in particular was driving right on the limit of what his car was capable of. By doing this, he would've actually lost a lot of ground to the cars he was "actually" in a race with. Also, he risked going off the track and making a mistake.

Of course, the driver is not to blame for this - a decision on whether to let Alonso through without a fight, has to come from the top. Di Grassi did nothing wrong.

But him holding Alonso off made for great watching

I bet Branson was loving the television coverage as well

 

[sunama]

TBF i am an Alonso fan so find the whole thing funny. But at the same time, i can see how both Ferrari and Merc are right. I wouldn't have liked to have been a steward deciding what one to go for. I'd probably toss a coin lol

My sentiments exactly.

 

[sunama]

But him holding Alonso off made for great watching

I bet Branson was loving the television coverage as well

From a commercial perspective (for Virgin's sponsors), it was good. It wasnt good for the team's race though.

 

[Zip]

From a commercial perspective (for Virgin's sponsors), it was good. It wasnt good for the team's race though.

They wearnt really in the race though. Why not make the most out of it.

Makes the Sponsors get a bit of air time and make them happy.

Make the fans happy.

Let the driver learn new skills and improve old ones, even if all it does is give him a confidence boost.

Makes the Driver push the car to its limits

And it also **** off Alonso

It was Win win!

 

[OspreyO]

Lol too true.

 

[Sukh]

Maybe Ross Brawn is getting too old and doesn't keep in touch wih his old buddy when he is busy; maybe Schumacher's hearing is shot

Brawn and Schumacher took a chance, they didn't get away with it, they should just accept their punishment like gentlemen . . . Oh . . . no, that's not going to happen is it?

Lol you quoted me, and your post has nothing to do with what I said?

 

[Baboonanza]

No because it's classed as a 'drive through' penalty, despite being applied after the race it is deemed to be unchangeable (as an actual drive through would be) and so even if Merc win an appeal it won't change anything regarding the result/points. It's absolutely ridiculous.

But that makes no sense. What is the point of Mercedes appealling the decision if there is no hope of actually changing the result? Why waste the money and time?