Monaco Grand Prix 2010, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

The race didnt end under safety car conditions because there were green flags and green lights. If it was ending under safety car conditions then there would still have been SC boards and yellow lights. This then means that rule 40.13 is defunct/not applicable.
 
nope, but will be shortly.
Just found out today I didn't get a job I applied for. So now I need to get it moved from my parents to my house. So I can start stripping it down again.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Nope, everyone apart from Hamilton pegged it. Everyone apart from McLaren thought the race was on, as the yellows are in and greens out.

The rule does not say every last lap with SC, will be finished under a SC. Just that if the race does end under SC then the SC will pull in. However if we look at the green flags, that was not the case. It's a legacy rule, which was over looked. But it still did not apply in this case.
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As Ferrari had also told their drivers not to overtake it was more than just McLaren that had read the rule book.

Intriguingly, under article 40.13 there is no mention as to which flags should be displayed.
 
MERCEDES GP PETRONAS were fully aware of article 40.13 which states that no overtaking is permitted if the race finishes under safety car conditions. However we believed that the combination of the race control messages ‘Safety Car in this lap’ and ‘Track Clear’ and the green flags and lights shown by the marshals after safety car line one indicated that the race was not finishing under the safety car and all drivers were free to race.

This opinion appears to have been shared by the majority of the teams with cars in the top ten positions who also gave their drivers instructions to race to the finish line.

It was clear from our discussions with the stewards after the race that they understood the reasons for our interpretation and acknowledged that this was a new and previously untested situation but ultimately disagreed with our interpretation. (http://www.mercedes-gp.com/en/#/s/news/130/2010-monaco-grand-prix-statement)
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Cobblers!

Ferrari and McLaren didn't see it Mercedes' way and in all probability, neither did Red Bull who in the circumstances couldn't have cared less.

The FIA haven't accepted Mercedes interpretation, they "disagreed with [Mercedes'] interpretation" of the rule in question.
 
Setroc said:
The poorly written regulations strike again.
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Agreed, which makes it all the more surprising Schumi was given a 20 second penalty relegating him 6 places. The FIA should have either given him the benefit of the doubt or at worst put him back to 7th place.
 
stockhausen said:
Cobblers!

Ferrari and McLaren didn't see it Mercedes' way and in all probability, neither did Red Bull who in the circumstances couldn't have cared less.

The FIA haven't accepted Mercedes interpretation, they "disagreed with [Mercedes'] interpretation" of the rule in question.
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If Ferrari didn't think racing back to the line was allowed, then why did Alonso nail the throttle out of La Rascasse and get a wobble on that put him wide for Anthony Noghes? Surely they told him to baby the car back to the line if they thought there would be no legal overtaking opportunity.

I just don't believe what Ferrari are saying in this case. Even if they were sure the rulebook precluded doing what Schumacher did, they obviously didn't let their driver know.

Spie said:
Agreed, which makes it all the more surprising Schumi was given a 20 second penalty relegating him 6 places. The FIA should have either given him the benefit of the doubt or at worst put him back to 7th place.
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Exactly. The punishment, like so many over the years, is completely out of proportion with the supposed 'offence'.

Ah well. Remember this one guys, when we start complaining at the end of the year that they need to allow the cars to overtake more. Because they can overtake just fine....right before getting slapped with a penalty :(
 
Putting him back to 7th would have been the sensible and indeed logical choice when faced with quite valid interpretation(s) of conflicting rules.

What goes on behind F1's doors is rarely sensible and logical though. I despair at the amount of times these kind of things happen in F1.

Ah well, bonus points to whoever was promoted to 10th, a Toro Rosso iirc. (Buemi?)
 
JRS said:
If Ferrari didn't think racing back to the line was allowed, then why did Alonso nail the throttle out of La Rascasse and get a wobble on that put him wide for Anthony Noghes? Surely they told him to baby the car back to the line if they thought there would be no legal overtaking opportunity.

I just don't believe what Ferrari are saying in this case. Even if they were sure the rulebook precluded doing what Schumacher did, they obviously didn't let their driver know. ...
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So far as I am aware, Ferrari do not release their radio traffic (I believe that McLaren do?); who knows what Ferrari told Alonso?

As to Ferrari lying, I'm sure you are right there ;)
 
JRS said:
If Ferrari didn't think racing back to the line was allowed, then why did Alonso nail the throttle out of La Rascasse and get a wobble on that put him wide for Anthony Noghes? Surely they told him to baby the car back to the line if they thought there would be no legal overtaking opportunity.
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I believe that Alonso was told to hold station, however, when he saw MS pull up alongside, he pannicked and hit the throttle, causing him to go sideways.

Had Alonso believed that he was under racing conditions, I doubt he would've left the door wide open for MS.

The only way to confirm this, is if Ferrari release the radio comms, proving that they told Alonso to hold station and that no overtaking was permitted.
 
sunama said:
I believe that Alonso was told to hold station, however, when he saw MS pull up alongside, he pannicked and hit the throttle, causing him to go sideways.

Had Alonso believed that he was under racing conditions, I doubt he would've left the door wide open for MS.

The only way to confirm this, is if Ferrari release the radio comms, proving that they told Alonso to hold station and that no overtaking was permitted.
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I think you're giving Alonso too much credit here.

He buried the throttle when MS was a full car length behind, and MS jumped on his mistake. By that time it was too late and MS jumped up the inside.

Not that it matters now, but in the future I wonder how many people will even attempt a last lap passing move because of this terrible ruling.

6th to 12th :rolleyes:
 
I doubt it will bother MS too much, given that he won't be going for the title this year. This year is merely a precursor to what may occur next year or the one after that.

Since the car has been updated to his requirements, he has had 2 finishes ahead of his team-mate (which is the main thing for him, as his confidence would've been taking a battering during the first 4 races).
 
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