Monaco Grand Prix 2010, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19
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How do they workout those speeding fines or is it down to how much a driver earns?
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Perhaps the FIA should do away with race control altogether and throw away the rule book
It might make for more exciting racing
Perhaps the FIA should do away with race control altogether and throw away the rule book
Or, you know, they could just sort that rule out so there'll be no more confusion over safety cars at the end of a race?
The message sent down from Race Control was that the safety car was in that lap. The safety car line is before the final kink onto the main 'straight'. Alonso was obviously expecting trouble as he nailed it out of La Rascasse. He got a wobble on, Schumacher nipped inside him after the safety car line, and grabbed the position.
Seems clear cut to me.
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Indeed, they could, that would work.
However I think that you are missing the bigger picture here. Clarifying one minor rule isn't going to make F1 any more exciting; allowing people to race motorcycles, snow ploughs, Abrams tanks, land speed record cars, etc. would. The FIA just need to think outside the box.
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i believe brundle said its 200 Euros(mite of been 400 but thats how its worked out) for every 1kph over the limit.
People need to look at this from a driver's perspective.
During the last lap race control says the SC is coming in on the last lap, this gets relayed to all the drivers including MSC.
Hence when the drivers get past the SC line they all nail it to the finish line, otherwise everyone would have coasted it. This is also the reason Alonso gets out of shape as he gets too much wheelspin, which allows MSC to make his opportunistic move down the inside.
Furthermore, all of the yellow flags from earlier in the lap had changed to green waved flags and lights at the SC line. The race was finished under racing conditions and not SC conditions.
Penalising the driver for a retrospective look on a contradicting rule that seems to be out of date seems absolutely absurd to me at least.
Seems like there's a few people who are still hugely against MSC, no matter the circumstances.
I agree that D Hill will probably get a lot of attention for this, I'd be questioning if Jean Todt had any influence tbh.
All a bit of mess, shame really and I hope Mercedes win their appeal.
During the last lap race control says the SC is coming in on the last lap, this gets relayed to all the drivers including MSC.
Hence when the drivers get past the SC line they all nail it to the finish line, otherwise everyone would have coasted it. This is also the reason Alonso gets out of shape as he gets too much wheelspin, which allows MSC to make his opportunistic move down the inside.
Furthermore, all of the yellow flags from earlier in the lap had changed to green waved flags and lights at the SC line. The race was finished under racing conditions and not SC conditions.
Penalising the driver for a retrospective look on a contradicting rule that seems to be out of date seems absolutely absurd to me at least.
Seems like there's a few people who are still hugely against MSC, no matter the circumstances.
I agree that D Hill will probably get a lot of attention for this, I'd be questioning if Jean Todt had any influence tbh.
All a bit of mess, shame really and I hope Mercedes win their appeal.
As I said on the previous page the SC cannot take the chequered flag it will always pit on the last lap due to 40.13 which is supposed to improve the spectacle of a SC deployed race finish with the pretence of a race to the flag with NO OVERTAKING.
If the SC pitted on the penultimate lap 40.13 would not apply, but it didn't.
If the SC pitted on the penultimate lap 40.13 would not apply, but it didn't.
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I don't think so.
I believe that there is pit radio evidence that McLaren told Hamilton NOT to attempt an overtake manoeuvre and that Alonso asked if he could have a go at passing Hamilton and was told not to.
Either Mercedes GP or Schumacher decided to try their luck and it didn't pay off; they should just man up and accept it . . . but that isn't Schumacher's way, is it?
Meanwhile . . .
Some mothers don't arf ave retards
Does make you wonder why they all gunned it for the line, Alonso so much so he nearly stuck his car in an armco allowing Schumacher to pass, if they had all been told there was no overtaking allowed.
As for luck trying, that's just simply not the case, as the rules stand the actions carried out on track by race control mean there was racing allowed between those lines, it's very clear really, it's just the stewards seem to have ruled by what the FIA wanted the rule to mean not what it actually means, or race control screwed up and displayed the wrong signals but Mercedes have been punished as if race control hadn't cocked up.
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That I don't know. However, I have definitely heard that McLaren told Hamilton NOT to attempt any overtaking manoeuvre, I saw either the transcript or heard the clip, can't remember which or where although it may have been a link to some McLaren site
It may have been from an earlier post in this thread or if you are that interested, I'm sure you will find it with Google, personally I'm not that bothered.
Rulez iz rulez as zey say in Germany
... personally I'm not that bothered.
Rulez iz rulez as zey say in Germany
Exactly. All this debate over a few points...mountain out of a molehill.
Everyone should look to Turkey now and discuss how on Earth is any team going to get close to the RedBulls. Previously they had reliability issues, but there was no evidence of this at Monaco.
'If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking'
I don't see what difference it makes if the team told them not to overtake. Their interpretation of the rules was wrong in my opinion, they lose out. F1 is about pushing the boundaries, not further crippling it with stupid penalties.
If the stewards had let it go (like I think they should have), it would have gone down as one of the most interesting and amusing overtakes in recent F1 history, but now instead all we'll remember is the stewards meddling once again and creating a lot more controversy than there need have been.
Onwards and upwards to Turkey, though it's probably my least favourite race of the year!
If the stewards had let it go (like I think they should have), it would have gone down as one of the most interesting and amusing overtakes in recent F1 history, but now instead all we'll remember is the stewards meddling once again and creating a lot more controversy than there need have been.
Onwards and upwards to Turkey, though it's probably my least favourite race of the year!
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Either race control messed up, or it wasn't safety car conditions. Why penalise MS for it? Who's to say the SC actually ended the race anyway? There was no more obstruction so it had to come in anyway.
I also like the fact that the FIA can say that a driver has broken any random rule regardless of how fictitious it is, and regardless of if it's appealed, the penalty still stands. What's to stop them saying every car broke a rule on the last lap apart from Alonso next race? The teams will all appeal and will win, but they keep the 20sec punishment? Ridiculous.
so the marshals shouldnt have been waving GREEN flags then - and Race Control shouldnt have been showing green lights
Quoting one rule that has been posted many times before doesnt really help as a lot of people have already said there are conflicting rules at present
I think you summed up the FIA in a nutshell there. Why do you think there is so much joking about Ferrari International Assistance? The FIA change the rules, to suit the situation. They actively manipulate the title race, which may be for commercial reasons (ie. keep the title race undecided until the last race, in order to keep viewing figures high).
In general, when Ferrari are at the sharp end of things (now that Ferrari have Alonso, they will more than likely be competing for the world title), decisions tend to go in their favour. 2007 (Alonso penalised in Hungary) and 2008 (Hamilton penalised in Spa) are good examples. The first incident of 2010 was seen at Monaco, last weekend and I believe that there is more to come later on this year...
In all fairness, drivers should simply accept the favouritsm (of the FIA towards Ferrari) and work around it. One way is to join Ferrari (which is what Alonso ended up doing). Another is to build a car which is so far ahead of Ferrari that even if the FIA gift Ferrari extra points, it still won't be enough to prevent the non-Ferrari team winning (which is what RedBull seem to have done).
I would guess that Alonso saw Schumacher lining him up, then saw the green flags, panicked and floored it!
Nope, everyone apart from Hamilton pegged it. Everyone apart from McLaren thought the race was on, as the yellows are in and greens out.
The rule does not say every last lap with SC, will be finished under a SC. Just that if the race does end under SC then the SC will pull in. However if we look at the green flags, that was not the case. It's a legacy rule, which was over looked. But it still did not apply in this case.