Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19

dannyjo22 · 1 Jun 2011 at 22:22

Slam62 said:
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Basically the RB aero package collapses with no EBD. I reckon RB will struggle to get podiums if they do ban the EBD.

Slam62 said:
Don't expect the RB to drop that far, I expect them to drop a bit and I expect the others to improve.

Ok which of the two statements are you going with

ZG002 · 1 Jun 2011 at 22:49

I honestly can't see anyone else winning the title this year, Unless Lewis pulls a do or die overtake and Vettel ends up in the medical centre for a few weeks....

You never know lol

CaptainRAVE · 1 Jun 2011 at 22:59

You would be a fool to bet against Vettel at this point.

Jono8 · 1 Jun 2011 at 23:02

ZG002 said:
I honestly can't see anyone else winning the title this year, Unless Lewis pulls a do or die overtake and Vettel ends up in the medical centre for a few weeks....

You never know lol

One can only hope.

Irish_Tom · 2 Jun 2011 at 08:19

ng93 said:
I know absolutely nothing about F1 so this is probably completely wrong however is it possible that hes having problems getting used to the EBD, and when thats banned he'll start doing well in quali?

Nah, they had EBD last year as well.

GravyMonster · 2 Jun 2011 at 09:19

They're not actually banning the EBD are they? I thought they were going to restrict off-throttle use to 10% for running an EBD?

Also everyone is saying RB will suffer - but other teams are using EBDs too. McLaren, Ferrari and Renault will all see performance drops if it's banned/limited.

Obviously, Red Bull will see the biggest drop in pace as they seem to have theirs working the most effectively, so it would just in effect tighten up the top runners. Possibly bring Mercedes in to the mix as well, should they be able to stop their car chewing its tyres.

CaptainRAVE · 2 Jun 2011 at 09:21

The fact is we don't know how much any of the teams are using it. If you watch the RB closely though, you can see how super optimised it is by the sheer level of downforce through the corners. RB will see a performance drop, more than most - who knows what will happen to the other teams. Vettel has done enough regardless.

Duke · 2 Jun 2011 at 09:32

Spunkey said:
They're not actually banning the EBD are they? I thought they were going to restrict off-throttle use to 10% for running an EBD?

Yep think it was to restrict it to a small %.

CaptainRAVE said:
The fact is we don't know how much any of the teams are using it. If you watch the RB closely though, you can see how super optimised it is by the sheer level of downforce through the corners. RB will see a performance drop, more than most - who knows what will happen to the other teams. Vettel has done enough regardless.

The last year or two it has looked on rails, so will be interesting to see how much is down to this. Vettel has made the most of it - same as Button did in 2009 compared to Barichello (& Williams, Toyota).

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2011 at 09:50

I can't see rbr being hindered too much by this. Their speed isn't just one thing, I don't think removing one will compromise the other. I think they will be just as fast if not combatively faster in the race. But may well lose a big chunk but not all in qualifying. But we will see.

sunama · 2 Jun 2011 at 10:49

AcidHell2 said:
I can't see rbr being hindered too much by this. Their speed isn't just one thing, I don't think removing one will compromise the other. I think they will be just as fast if not combatively faster in the race. But may well lose a big chunk but not all in qualifying.

Thats exactly what I think.

Also, there is no guarantee that the EBD technology will be constrained. Remember, the FIA are having a "meeting" about this, later this month. They have not stated that they will be banning/restricting it.

It could be that after the hearing, they may simply say, "We have investigated the matter of EBD and found no reason to restrict or ban it, for the 2011 season".

utajoker · 2 Jun 2011 at 13:51

i thought brundle mentioned during the race that at silverstone it would be banned.

mmj_uk · 2 Jun 2011 at 14:00

CaptainRAVE said:
You would be a fool to bet against Vettel at this point.

You would have been a fool to bet against him after the first race tbh, it's just a continuation of last season except Red Bull are extremely reliable unlike the start of last season... and even better is that for whatever reason Webber can't get near Vettel (they're probably reducing his engine power in qualifying or something

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GravyMonster · 2 Jun 2011 at 14:07

Also, what is the point in having a single ECU when teams are able to do this?

utajoker said:
i thought brundle mentioned during the race that at silverstone it would be banned.

That was just rumour in the paddock following the announcement of the review meeting about it.

Kerming · 2 Jun 2011 at 14:46

personaly i hope they ban it......but not the extent that vettel will loose the championship due to a technicality. I like to see some real racing, lewis and vettel battling it out through qualifine and in the race.

El_Watcher · 2 Jun 2011 at 16:10

I am hoping that if they ban it, it is the reason all teams are faster than Lotus, so they start competing for top ten places.

Slam62 · 2 Jun 2011 at 16:14

dannyjo22 said:
Ok which of the two statements are you going with

both because I expect Newey to come up with another aero package.

Slam62 · 2 Jun 2011 at 16:20

dannyjo22 said:
But it is working well enough for them to lead races and set fast laps?
After all you said yourself they aren't using it in the races hence the speed drop off from qually.

They cannot be using it all the time and the pace with the high rake is still there. Well to me it seems to be.

I wouldn't say they aren't using it in the race, I would just say less so. Due to the weight and the fuel consumption.

Hammi wasn't exactly a long way behind in Barcelona.

dannyjo22 said:
He's won 5 races. I fully expect him to win atleast 3 more races before anyone even thinks about banning EBD. When was the last time anyone won 8 races and lost a title?

No one has the consistency or a team mate to not take points off them like Vettel. Sure Massa wont trouble Alonso but the car is miles away from Red Bull, EBD or not.

The only way Vettel will lose this title is with a run of tragically bad reliability.

You are probably right, also the other teams will take points of each other, I hope it gets close though.

GravyMonster · 2 Jun 2011 at 16:49

Slam62 said:
I wouldn't say they aren't using it in the race, I would just say less so. Due to the weight and the fuel consumption.

Bob on. It's definately used during the race. You can hear all it on all the cars using it. Was very noticeable around Monaco.

utajoker · 2 Jun 2011 at 17:27

i missed this gp weekend just gone and only watched the race. before quali what was the difference between hamilton and vettel on the track? were people maybe expecting hamilton to have a chance at pole?

we never saw hamiltons race pace because he was always stuck behind another car.

JRS · 2 Jun 2011 at 18:05

utajoker said:
before quali what was the difference between hamilton and vettel on the track? were people maybe expecting hamilton to have a chance at pole?

Combined practice times.

The condensed highlights - Alonso quickest by a good half-second, Genii-LOLtus-Renaults not all that quick despite many tipping them to have pace, gap of over a second from 8th to 9th (!), Hamilton just slightly quicker than Vettel.