Soldato
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So you missed Alonso coming within one point of the WDC in his first year with McLaren and within four points in his first year with Ferrari, then?
Monaco Grand Prix 2013, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19
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So you missed Alonso coming within one point of the WDC in his first year with McLaren and within four points in his first year with Ferrari, then?
Soldato
Ferrari never had much of a case to answer for anyway, with a) it being an older car that was used and b) said older car being run by Corse Clienti rather than the Scuderia.
I expect that there will still be some rumblings, mind. Especially if Merc get a walloping, even more so if Hamilton gets caught in the crossfire.
LOLOL FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE LOLOL
I expect that there will still be some rumblings, mind. Especially if Merc get a walloping, even more so if Hamilton gets caught in the crossfire.
LOLOL FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE LOLOL
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In terms of penalty for me this is right up there with McLaren and Alonso's last year with them. However, as Mercedes are more important for F1 now than McLaren were then I don't expect them to receive the same stripped point punishment. Pity, as that's precisely what I think one of outcomes of the hearing should be.
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http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...Formula-One-tribunal-over-Barcelona-tyre-test
Mercedes and Pirelli are to face the FIA's International Tribunal after the governing body decided their 'secret' Barcelona tyre test may have contravened Formula 1's Sporting Regulations.
Mercedes and Pirelli are to face the FIA's International Tribunal after the governing body decided their 'secret' Barcelona tyre test may have contravened Formula 1's Sporting Regulations.
The ironic thing is, Ferrari are complaining about Merc.
But if this whole debacle came to light well before Monaco, and somehow the Mercs were stripped of their win, Vettels lead would be quite significant right now.
Fact is, Merc is taking away points from RBR, and Ferrari need them more than they realise.
But if this whole debacle came to light well before Monaco, and somehow the Mercs were stripped of their win, Vettels lead would be quite significant right now.
Fact is, Merc is taking away points from RBR, and Ferrari need them more than they realise.
I doubt that Ferrari want Merc to be docked points, though they are keeping them under pressure. This is quite normal in business and sport - keep your competition under pressure...don't give them an inch to breathe.
More than likely Merc will get a fine and that'll be the end of the matter.
More than likely Merc will get a fine and that'll be the end of the matter.
Would need to be a very big fine then to deter others from doing an illegal test and take a fine for the gains a test would give them
I can see a loss of all WCC points if found guilty.
Soldato
Would need to be a very big fine then to deter others from doing an illegal test and take a fine for the gains a test would give them
I haven't seen anything to say they gained or lost. Just saying they did is hear say.
Pirelli have said Merc never knew what they tested so I don't see how they gained.
The fact is that they used the 2013 car to test.
This is the problem.
Regardless of what tyres Pirelli were using, Merc were not allowed to do this.
Merc have enough senior staff to know that what they were doing was wrong, so this was definitely a calculated risk.
Consider that the test happened immediately after they suffered the most horrendous tyre wear, which saw them qualify in 1-2 and once the race started they went backwards. Rosberg gave a post race interview and stated that he never expected the tyre degradation to be so serious. It would make sense that over-night, after a meeting, Merc took a decision to use their 2013 for the test.
Of course, we don't know all the facts, so I guess we just have to wait for the hearing ans see what Merc say.
This is the problem.
Regardless of what tyres Pirelli were using, Merc were not allowed to do this.
Merc have enough senior staff to know that what they were doing was wrong, so this was definitely a calculated risk.
Consider that the test happened immediately after they suffered the most horrendous tyre wear, which saw them qualify in 1-2 and once the race started they went backwards. Rosberg gave a post race interview and stated that he never expected the tyre degradation to be so serious. It would make sense that over-night, after a meeting, Merc took a decision to use their 2013 for the test.
Of course, we don't know all the facts, so I guess we just have to wait for the hearing ans see what Merc say.
Yep.
But Merc have the money to spend, so they'll absorb any fine without too much issue.
Soldato
Would need to be a very big fine then to deter others from doing an illegal test and take a fine for the gains a test would give them
I can see a loss of all WCC points if found guilty.
Show me proof of quantifiable gains.
They didn't know what the tyres were they were testing. Pirelli said "Do this using these tyres" and they did. My guess - big fine, no points.
Exactly, they don't know what they were testing so can't see what they gained. They already changed the rules about not being able to run new parts on filming days, so assume the same for tyre days.
Show me proof of no gain? exactly.
If a top team has a 3 day test and does not learn something from it then they really are not a top team
Why are you focusing on tyres?Would need to be a very big fine then to deter others from doing an illegal test and take a fine for the gains a test would give them
I can see a loss of all WCC points if found guilty.
I personally think that they will have their latest win/2nd place stripped from them, (since the test results may have helped them in the short term).
Soldato
Show me proof of no gain? exactly.
If a top team has a 3 day test and does not learn something from it then they really are not a top team
Oh for crying out loud! It wasn't Mercs test.
Pirelli : "20 laps on the ZX981 tyres and come back in. Taa"
Merc : "Can we just try this development front wing?"
Pirelli : "Do one or we'll tell Jean Todt."
It's blind testing. I refer you to my comments earlier in the thread that basically say they'd have got nothing out of it other than mileage on the cars/drivers.
Show me proof of no gain? exactly.
If a top team has a 3 day test and does not learn something from it then they really are not a top team
Exactly (sorry I think I just repeated what you said earlier MM).
They surely must have learned something from the test and put it to use.
Soldato
I'm paraphrasing.
It would nullify the results of the testing if anything changes other than the tyres Pirelli supply.
Even if Merc fitted a development front wing (for sake of argument I'll go with the above) that they'd magic'd up in a couple of days since the Spanish GP they've got no baseline to compare it against as the tyres are blind tested.
Oh for crying out loud! It wasn't Mercs test.
Pirelli : "20 laps on the ZX981 tyres and come back in. Taa"
Merc : "Can we just try this development front wing?"
Pirelli : "Do one or we'll tell Jean Todt."
It's blind testing. I refer you to my comments earlier in the thread that basically say they'd have got nothing out of it other than mileage on the cars/drivers.
Yeah ok then so why run with Lewis and Nico? surely any old driver would have done.....Lewis the guy who left McLaren as he needed his "spare" time then goes testing for something that does not benefit him or his team? pull the other one...
You think Pirelli know every technical detail of the Merc? would Pirelli know if they had bolted on new suspension in the morning before the test? Off course Pirelli would have no idea if Merc ran any development parts.