Monaco Grand Prix 2014, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

drunkenmaster said:
Can't know any of what?

You mean "Button MIGHT leave....."

Where did I claim Button was loved, it's called an example. I also asked what your point was and didn't get a response just the usual off point twaddle..
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That you can't know if a driver who has loads of friends in a team leaves with no championships. I'm pretty sure MS was pretty popular at ferrari and Senna at Mclaren. Alonso seemed popular at Renault and so on. The point I'm making is you cannot know who is loved and who isn't to make the statement you made. Alonso now seems pretty loved at Ferrari. I think they know the value in not alienating the guys who might pull an all nighter to save your race and season.

As for you second point I wasn't the person you asked "what's your point" go back and look, so the 2nd half of your novel isn't for me :p
 
Lewis destroying Rosberg in Canada.
Hmmmm.....


Gotta love the Hamilton fans.
Guys, I just want to remind you that winning races and the title is not about being the fastest. You have to use every trick in the book to win titles. Vettel and MSc were great examples.

I'd also like to remind you to view the WDC table and check who is leading the WDC.

Rosberg showed intelligence yesterday.
He knew that over 1 lap Hamilton was faster.
He did what he needed to ensure he got pole.
Well done.

Hamilton and Rosberg both knew that the race would be won on Saturday and by using his intelligence, Rosberg got the job done. This explains why yesterday Hamilton was so sad (he knew that he lost the race, not just quali) and Rosberg was celebrating as if he had won the race.

Rosberg went up in my estimation yesterday, as he is now behaving like a complete driver and not just a decent/fast driver. To win a title, you have to work your team (MSc was an expert at this) and be in control of your team-mate. Yesterday, by controlling the situation, he controlled his team-mate.

To summarise...
Hamilton has brute speed on his side.
Rosberg has intelligence on his side.
So, who will win the title? It could be a close one.

Next race: Canada, in 2 weeks, shown live on BBC.
 
Sunama, I agree with everything you just said except this:

sunama said:
I'd also like to remind you to view the WDC table and check who is leading the WDC.
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The single reason Rosberg is ahead in the WDC currently is Hamilton's DNF in Melbourne.

No 'ifs', no 'buts' no 'DNFs are a part of F1' - don't try and play off the fact that Rosberg is ahead because of his superior intellect - it's purely down to some bad luck for Lewis (good luck for Rosberg) at Melbourne.
 
On the subject of Alonso and McLaren.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Alonso is the absolute best driver in F1. Whoever he drives with, he makes them look very ordinary.

The more I see of Ferrari, I think Alonso has to make this season his last with them.
Given his age, Alonso is now at his absolute peak, so he has to move a team where he can get race wins.

At this stage, I feel that McLaren could at least give him a car, once in 3 years, which is capable of winning a race from the front, on merit (and not just if he drives out of his skin or gets lucky and all the other leading drivers DNF).

Mclaren, since 2011 have basically lost their way, refusing to take any risks or make decisions to ensure they win the title. In 2012 they had arguably the best car in F1 and they got beaten by Vettel, Alonso and Kimi. That says it all. Had Alonso driven for McLaren in 2012, he'd have won the title at a canter.

Make Alonso the most expensive driver in F1.
Tell him that Magnusson will be his No.2 (under study).
The car and team, will be based around him.
He will be given whatever he needs.
BUT, HE needs to deliver - its all on him...no ifs, buts or excuses.

If McLaren are unable to bring/convince a top line driver to join them in 2015, this could be proof that they are on a permanent slide and no top driver wants to work with them.
 
sunama said:
Make Alonso the most expensive driver in F1.
Tell him that Magnusson will be his No.2 (under study).
The car and team, will be based around him.
He will be given whatever he needs.
BUT, HE needs to deliver - its all on him...no ifs, buts or excuses.
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Alonso has delivered the last four years and placed a car in positions where it should never be, there is no question of his ability.
 
Irish_Tom said:
Alonso wouldn't have won in 2012 if the team had made as many mistakes as they did with Hamilton. ;)

Again, I agree with the rest. :p
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But as posted, Hamilton had alienated himself in the team, so is it any wonder mistakes were made?


There's no way Alonso would go to McLaren. Unless Honda make a miracle engine, they'll be slower than Ferrari. They were last year and with the better engine, they are this year. It would take something special for them to suddenly leap into title-challenging mode.
 
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I said to my wife that Rosberg was going to go off on his last qualifying lap, he was overdriving it and his entry to casino, the left hander was aggressive and very messy. I think my words were "if he doesn't wind his neck he will go off here". I don't believe he went off on purpose, I do think he was a bit clever with getting back on the track.
 
Hamilton will be fine after Canada; he'll win easily and be back to winning ways, and Rosberg won't get the benefit of the doubt if he pulls any more shenanigans.

I don't think Hamilton's done himself any favours with Merc with some of his responses, and if he had any sense he'd take a leaf from Kimi's books and just not answer interview questions meant to stoke up a rift between him and Rosberg.
 
Housey said:
Yea, he did.
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Disagree tbh.

This is the first time Rosberg has actually beaten Lewis on the track this year.

You can easily argue that the only reason he did so was because he had track position and it was Monaco. Lewis was all over him in the early part of the race - keeping up easily and using far less fuel doing so. Had Lewis been on pole I don't think Rosberg would have kept up anywhere near as easily.

Factor in that Lewis looked very likely to steal the pole from Rosberg until the "incident" (deliberate or otherwise - not the issue) and I think it's a slightly hollow victory for Rosberg.

They can both say what they like in public - I think there will be a small voice inside Rosberg telling him that he's yet to beat Lewis in a straight fight.
 
Vertigo1 said:
Disagree tbh.

This is the first time Rosberg has actually beaten Lewis on the track this year.

You can easily argue that the only reason he did so was because he had track position and it was Monaco. Lewis was all over him in the early part of the race - keeping up easily and using far less fuel doing so. Had Lewis been on pole I don't think Rosberg would have kept up anywhere near as easily.

Factor in that Lewis looked very likely to steal the pole from Rosberg until the "incident" (deliberate or otherwise - not the issue) and I think it's a slightly hollow victory for Rosberg.

They can both say what they like in public - I think there will be a small voice inside Rosberg telling him that he's yet to beat Lewis in a straight fight.
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I am actually not talking about the track action I am talking about the head games. It started to go wrong at Barcelona I am reading, but Lewis came in all smiles and left with his arse in his hands. That is as I have said many times his Achilles heel and if he does'nt control his emotions properly it will damage him and his season.
 
Mercedes Formula 1 team-mates Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton's relationship was at breaking point even before the Monaco Grand Prix, due to a bust-up in Spain a fortnight ago.

Although the breakdown in the team-mates' relations was made public in the wake of Rosberg's controversial pole position in Monte Carlo, the pair had already fallen out after the race at Barcelona.

That was when it emerged that, in a bid to keep his lead, Hamilton went against team protocol and turned up his engine settings to maximum performance in the closing stages.

His actions left Rosberg feeling that he had been robbed of a chance of victory through unfair means - which forced an apology from Hamilton.

It was against that backdrop that tensions surfaced in Monaco, which is why team boss Toto Wolff is not surprised that Hamilton felt so angry after the qualifying controversy.



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All I can say is .. Karmas a beeetch ! :)
 
The most concerning thing about that whole Barcelona incident, is that F1 teams appear to be making cars that can go faster than they are, and then are just asking the drivers not to turn them up?

Urgh... What the heck?! What do they expect!

"Hi Lewis. Yeah this button here makes you go super fast, but please never press it"

"Ok boss!"

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...

*presses button*
 
Skeeter said:
The most concerning thing about that whole Barcelona incident, is that F1 teams appear to be making cars that can go faster than they are, and then are just asking the drivers not to turn them up?

Urgh... What the heck?! What do they expect!

"Hi Lewis. Yeah this button here makes you go super fast, but please never press it"

"Ok boss!"

...

...

*presses button*
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Yup, all about big brands, **** all to do with racing as these statements show.

"Yea of course we let them race..."
 
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