Monaco Grand Prix 2015, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

majnu said:
Puzzling isn't it

- Multiple World Champion (and multiple ***** too, one if not two at McLaren)
- Higher Salary (doesn't actually mean squat, as much relates to history as anything else)
- Negotiates contracts on his own (complete **** as mentioned on tv today)
- Better driver (highly debatable)
- Higher fan appreciation (again debatable, Im sure Rosberg is more favoured in Germany which is really all that Merc care about)
- Dates a celebrity - as you just said he is single currently so irrelevant

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What I don't understand is Lewis said in the press conference that he says he saw the screens and saw the crew out and thought that Nico had or was pitting. Why when he called in did he not question has Nico pitted or is he pitting. Surely the team knew they were never going to pit Nico because Ferrari were not out in the pit lane. So why risk Lewis.

I do believe that there is no conspiracy at Mercedes in general but I do believe on this occasion the chance of a space in the history books was too much to pass up. The same Mercedes driver winning three Monaco GP in a row. I will also add had it been the other way round then they would have spoiled Nico's race to get Lewis in front.

Oh well Lewis chin up lad you will you still beat Nico in the majority of the coming rounds.
 
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While I found it quite funny that Merc messed up I thought Lewis handled it pretty well, sure he was raging mad but stopping the car for a bit of sightseeing then hitting the 3rd place board then walking really slow and throwing his 3rd place cap away was pretty restrained from what might have happened 5 years ago :D

Nico was embarrassing celebrating that win like he earned it.
 
IPBA said:
I do believe that there is no conspiracy at Mercedes in general but I do believe on this occasion the chance of a space in the history books was too much to pass up. The same Mercedes driver winning three Monaco GP in a row. I will also add had it been the other way round then they would have spoiled Nico's race to get Lewis in front.
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No team will throw a 1-2 finish in favour of a 1-3 finish to put a driver in "the history books". No way.
 
UTmaniac said:
Hamilton has a history of bad pit calls, the ballsup at China 2007 gifted Kimi the WDC title in the end.

All things considered, it is amazing the call for wet tyres paid off in Brazil 2008, getting the position he needed (with Massa having won the race) on the final true corner of the race to win the WDC.

Oh well, today's drama keeps us on the edge of our seats a little longer into the season. ;)
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Maybe not a history of bad calls but I believe on this occassion, as it is the drivers perogative to make a pit call out of the pre-arranged sync, that he cocked it up perhaps aided by the team unsighted information.
 
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Lopéz said:
No team will throw a 1-2 finish in favour of a 1-3 finish to put a driver in "the history books". No way.
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And certainly not for such a trivial record. Perhaps if it was the most number of wins at Monaco in a driver's last season or something, but not for three in a row.

It was just a mess up in the timing. And if Hamilton had had a 2.5 second normal stop rather than a 4 second one he'd probably have still been leading anyway.
 
So basically what we learned from this is that VSC is a pointless gimmick?

I think that's what screwed Merc/Lewis... Had the VSC been activated then everyone would have had to stick to the delta time regardless of track position. Unfortunately, the real SC car came out and Lewis' lead evaporated.

I'd be raging if I were Lewis but then all he has to remember is that he was fastest in FP, pole position and only lost to a team error. No matter which way you cut it, Nico had no answer for Lewis and Lewis should know that.
 
IPBA said:
What I don't understand is Lewis said in the press conference that he says he saw the screens and saw the crew out and thought that Nico had or was pitting. Why when he called in did he not question has Nico pitted or is he pitting. Surely the team knew they were never going to pit Nico because Ferrari were not out in the pit lane. So why risk Lewis.

I do believe that there is no conspiracy at Mercedes in general but I do believe on this occasion the chance of a space in the history books was too much to pass up. The same Mercedes driver winning three Monaco GP in a row. I will also add had it been the other way round then they would have spoiled Nico's race to get Lewis in front.

Oh well Lewis chin up lad you will you still beat Nico in the majority of the coming rounds.
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I find it fitting after his contract is renewed with higher pay, this always happens. We'll show you who's boss.


utajoker said:
he most likely said it to focus on racing and fully focusing on trying to get past vettel. many drivers give messages not to be radioed in the corners. Monaco is pretty much all corners.

I dont think it was because he didn't want to talk to them any more.
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He had just barely come out of turn 8 heading towards the tunnel. These radio engineers are really thick? How many times does it take to work out don't message your driver in a corner…


Why is it so hard to workout I better message him on a relative straight rather than disturb his concentration during a corner.
 
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EVH said:
So basically what we learned from this is that VSC is a pointless gimmick?

I think that's what screwed Merc/Lewis... Had the VSC been activated then everyone would have had to stick to the delta time regardless of track position. Unfortunately, the real SC car came out and Lewis' lead evaporated.

I'd be raging if I were Lewis but then all he has to remember is that he was fastest in FP, pole position and only lost to a team error. No matter which way you cut it, Nico had no answer for Lewis and Lewis should know that.
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There were two vsc's weren't there and one of them worked fine. The point of the VSC is to avoid bringing out the full safety car, not to replace it altogether. It meant they felt safe enough to go on track to pick up the piece of wing at the swimming pool without changing everyone's gap in the race.

In fact had all the gaps closed up again and people been unlapped we wouldn't have had the genuinely hilarious situation where Verstappen started following Kimi past other cars for position as Kimi was lapping them.

The safety car will need to be deployed when a crash is more serious and more marshals are needed in a more dangerous area. Again for that piece of wing the vsc turned what might be a 5 second gap between cars into a 20 second gap that the marshal felt safe going out to get the wing in, great. For Verstappen it's the corner off the drs straight(not actually sure if they get to a higher speed there or out of the tunnel tbh). It's a fairly fast corner and easy for drivers to make a mistake. The car wasn't coming out easily and so they brought out a full safety car to give them what, 1.5 minutes or so on track with no cars near them.

The VSC worked great in this race... Merc strategy team however did not.
 
The more years I think about F1 since Red Bulls dominating years and what happened yesterday proves it's a stage theatre circus. After all, the talk about fans losing interest trying to engage them. This happens and it is all the talk of the race.

Create hype and they don't run out of print. It's true what Nigel Mansell said years ago about the sport today and current drivers in some interviews.
 
dm, I'm aware of why they use the VSC, but the fact was they activated the VSC then 30 seconds later sent the real SC out. I think this caught out the team.

There shouldn't need to be a real SC for someone to grab a wing from the track, that's why they have double waved yellows. Not to mention there are 9 cranes around Monaco, so we ended up with everyone trawling around behind Bertie for what seemed like an eternity.

Merc should never have pitted him, but id like to know why they went VSC >SC
 
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Barrier repairs. They had to get a vehicle on track to bring in new barriers which requires a gap in the traffic. The VSC wouldn't have given them one, while the SC gave them a nice 2 minute window of clear track to drive the JCB over and fix the barrier.
 
majnu said:
Didn't Hamilton during the race say to his engineers "don't talk to me"?
Or am I thinking of another race? Or did he say the same thing again during this race?
Maybe it was payback from his engineers for Hamilton being a bit arrogant when they are only trying to help.
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He says it to them when he is angry and annoyed at either their errors or his own.
He is not as annoyed on this occasion as when things happened before.
When things go wrong he has to put a brave face on it, and he generally does this badly, but he is improving in his attitude.
When things go well, he is the happiest child in the racing car.

He may well be single, but lets face it, he still has those earrings ;)
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
He says it to them when he is angry and annoyed at either their errors or his own.
He is not as annoyed on this occasion as when things happened before.
When things go wrong he has to put a brave face on it, and he generally does this badly, but he is improving in his attitude.
When things go well, he is the happiest child in the racing car.

He may well be single, but lets face it, he still has those earrings ;)
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So what about Kim constantly cursing and blaming everyone about him?.
What about how terrible Button was at Honda, climbing out of the car walking out and flying home?
Senna not even driving back to the pits claimed in a car and went home etc?.
 
Why is this even on the race calendar, Not really a F1 fan but i fail to see the point in this racetrack whatsoever ?
 
What impressed me the most was how Hamilton managed to contain himself. A couple of years ago he would've lost his proverbial and been a real grumpy arse and let everyone know. I bet he'll be fired up for the next race though.
 
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