Monaco Grand Prix 2015, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

FrankJH said:
Monaco is important for F1 to continue, whether its deals behind the scenes, the sponsors, and everything about it - whinging about it wont change anything

The issue as much as anything is the cars and the fact the drivers are so much within their limits that a confined /tricky race like Monaco isn't that difficult any more. Make the cars trickier, more on edge and suddenly Monaco (and a lot of other tracks) will become more interesting again


edit Really happy JB got his and McLaren's first points today, otherwise it was a bit meh (inspite of the Mercedes **** up)
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And the drivers love it as it is one of the few circuits left that really challenges them these days. Keep it and reduce the number of sterile, sanitised and totally forgiving new circuits. It might be boring to watch but I am sure it isn't boring to drive despite the fact that nowdays it is about driving as slowly as possible to win to preserve and tyres.
 
chriscatt said:
As I said http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/2...its-both-he-and-mercedes-made-the-call-to-pit
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The difference is he believed the team had pitted Rosberg and Vettel had pitted on the previous go around and believed that is why they thought he should pit so he didn't have a tire disadvantage. He believed that because deciding to pit Hamilton from first when the guys behind hadn't pitted is INSANE, completely and utterly insane. If the two guys behind were 10 seconds behind and then pitted, he would have in the car felt he had a pitstop + 10 seconds to get out.

The team effectively misled him by making a ridiculous and unprecedented tactical call, if the guys behind weren't stopping there was no reason for Hamilton to stop at all. The team should have informed him of the gap.

The teams decision was 100% informed, they had all the data, Hamilton couldn't see the guys behind him so had no other knowledge than what he was led to believe by the team.
 
As Toto put it, the issue of pitting should never have come up. There was no reason for an overview of the situation in the first place.

Hamilton would have carried on as normal and there is no confusion.

Once the pitstop has been called, there was almost a minute to abort it as you could see that the gap wasn't enough. It took an age for Hamilton to come into the pits. At that point I realised and others must have realised that this was a gamble, and I hadn't even seen the timing screens.
 
muon said:
As Toto put it, the issue of pitting should never have come up. There was no reason for an overview of the situation in the first place.

Hamilton would have carried on as normal and there is no confusion.

Once the pitstop has been called, there was almost a minute to abort it as you could see that the gap wasn't enough. It took an age for Hamilton to come into the pits. At that point I realised and others must have realised that this was a gamble, and I hadn't even seen the timing screens.
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Even within the pitstop they could have realised the mistake and told him to continue through without the actual stop, 2.5-3.5seconds stopped but another 5 lost slowing down from and speeding back up to the lane speed limit. Had they told him to keep going he'd have won.

Entire situation was different, honestly you know the situation where in a group of people someone says something so stupid you don't say anything but all turn and stare at that person till they realise how utterly dumb what they just suggested was. That is what I would imagine the correct reaction would be to whoever said "hey, should we pit Hamilton from the lead?" utter slack jawed silence from the sheer stupidity of the idea. Somehow instead of that happening multiple people spent time working out if they could do it then chose to do it rather than the majority piping up and calling it the stupidest idea possible.

What I can't grasp is how an entire team with decades of F1 experience all managed to not collectively decide against a pitstop.

AS above, Hamilton believed the only reason they would pit him is to cover the two guys behind. If you're in second or third and have the gap to pit then be on faster tires with no loss of position... sure, why not. As such if Hamilton had the guys behind pitting safely he would also have that same time so may as well take the same tire decision. Covering a tire disadvantage to those behind with way more than a pitstop in time makes sense, covering those behind on the same tire who both were slower and had less tire life throughout the race is utterly utterly absurd.

Back in 2007 when Hamilton was screwed by the team not calling him in to pit till his tires had no grip at all was horrific, but at least the conditions were changing and staying out and pitting once rather than 2-3 times onto different tires had some potential advantage. This pitstop had zero advantage at all, it was absurd, risky and had no reason to be done.
 
Hamilton doesnt posess the intuition to go with the right call. Too reliant on the team to guide him. Cant think of one instance surrounding a pit call where hes told the team to get ********. Kimi button alonso etc.All Can tho.
 
smr said:
Hamilton doesnt posess the intuition to go with the right call. Too reliant on the team to guide him. Cant think of one instance surrounding a pit call where hes told the team to get ********. Kimi button alonso etc.All Can tho.
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Can't think of an instance where Kimi and Alonso have refused a pit call.

Button hasn't declined any either although has initiated a few, and not all have worked.
 
smr said:
Hamilton doesnt posess the intuition to go with the right call. Too reliant on the team to guide him. Cant think of one instance surrounding a pit call where hes told the team to get ********. Kimi button alonso etc.All Can tho.
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I can remember Hamilton querying pit calls.
 
smr said:
Hamilton doesnt posess the intuition to go with the right call. Too reliant on the team to guide him. Cant think of one instance surrounding a pit call where hes told the team to get ********. Kimi button alonso etc.All Can tho.
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and the Hamilton hater rears his head while making a ridiculous claim. Button has the intuition... thus last year when the team put new inters on as the track was drying Button obviously made the call himself? You remember the good calls and ignore the bad calls to suit your claims.

Hamilton was told by his team not to attack Rosberg on fresh tires in Monza, he ignored him and overtook Rosberg, putting pressure on him into making the mistake. Drivers ALL make their own calls SOMETIMES and defer to the team at other times. If you consistently make the wrong calls you won't be as good as Hamilton is.

You also made the ridiculous claim that Kimi has this so called intuition when no single driver has been caught with as many poor pitstop choice decisions in the past 3-4 seasons. Several times last year and multiple times with Lotus did he end up doing one stop less and being stupidly slow and passed repeatedly in the final stint only for Kimi to complain about the pitstop decision post race.

99% of pitstop calls are made by the team and 99% of the time drivers don't decide not to pit or decide to pit early, that includes Hamilton, Button, Kimi and Alonso.
 
OldCoals said:
I can remember Hamilton querying pit calls.
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He always listens though, as he should. No way a driver can be aware of everything other than how the tyres feel.

Just look at the brilliant strategy Ferrari employed to get Vettel his win earlier this year. It seemed wrong to everyone else, but their software worked.
 
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Watching the interviews I have to admire Lewis for being so calm about the situation in front of the media. He will win Monaco some day but the bigger picture is winning the drivers championship with Nico only 10 points behind.

It appears to me it won't bog him down nor will he give an emotional reaction blaming it on the colour of his skin :p His temperament has appeared to change and his statement "We win as a team and lose as a team" was well put.

I guess when he has retired in 5-6 years time he will write an Autobiography about the incident and those who love gossip can read his emotional reaction whilst he earns a couple more million from his book deal.

I hope that the pit babes are back, seeing men line the grid is just gay. :rolleyes:
 
MooMoo444 said:
Casual sexism :o

Guys can hold poles too.
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Does this count? ;)

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To redress the balance..

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@DM

Good point about waving him through. Like you said, he still would have won

Pressure, confusion, things happening to quickly, Nico handing the timing guy a few thousand.. All conspired against Hamilton

Worst thing is, so many chances to save situation
Hamilton could have ignored it knowing how much time was lost
Could have waved him through
Could have made the easy decision of not even considering it

Basically they cracked under pressure
 
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