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koolpc said:
Just like supersonic jets were to early man? Beyond them.
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Supersonic is supremely different to defying the laws of physics that are set out in our Universe. Assuming anyone out there has harnessed light speed travel through Space, then it would take 200,000 years to just cross our Milky Way galaxy non stop at light speed. The Milky Way has maybe up to 100 billion solar systems, and then there are other galaxies both bigger and smaller than ours, billions upon billions of them..... How do you think anyone out there is supposed to find Earth life from such distances? The laser light based signals we've been sending out won't escape our galaxy for 200,000 years, and that's assuming the area of sky we have sent them toward has beings on the other end in the first place waiting for a light signal for signs of life.

This all assumes they also have the power to overcome time dilation, which would add even more years onto the journey every time they crossed paths with a supermassive object like a black hole of which there are countless numbers floating around empty space and in the middle of every one of those galaxies powering them.

The numbers are far too great for us to come in contact with space faring beings out there. I'm sure they are out there.... Just the probability of them finding us are so slim it's just not worth thinking about in the grand scheme of things.

It's great being optimistic, but with this topic, once you get your head around the actual numbers involved you can appreciate why we should be more realistic than optimistic.
 
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mrk said:
Supersonic is supremely different to defying the laws of physics that are set out in our Universe. Assuming anyone out there has harnessed light speed travel through Space, then it would take 200,000 years to just cross our Milky Way galaxy non stop at light speed. The Milky Way has maybe up to 100 billion solar systems, and then there are other galaxies both bigger and smaller than ours, billions upon billions of them..... How do you think anyone out there is supposed to find Earth life from such distances? The laser light based signals we've been sending out won't escape our galaxy for 200,000 years, and that's assuming the area of sky we have sent them toward has beings on the other end in the first place waiting for a light signal for signs of life.

This all assumes they also have the power to overcome time dilation, which would add even more years onto the journey every time they crossed paths with a supermassive object like a black hole of which there are countless numbers floating around empty space and in the middle of every one of those galaxies powering them.

The numbers are far too great for us to come in contact with space faring beings out there. I'm sure they are out there.... Just the probability of them finding us are so slim it's just not worth thinking about in the grand scheme of things.

It's great being optimistic, but with this topic, once you get your head around the actual numbers involved you can appreciate why we should be more realistic than optimistic.
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I feel some python coming on

https://youtu.be/yq4uCWtQE24
 
the vast distances of the universe and how slow the speed of light is, I don't think space aliens are visiting here anytime soon.

We are just a dumb rock at the moment that has sent signals out for only 100 years or so.
 
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mrk said:
Supersonic is supremely different to defying the laws of physics that are set out in our Universe. Assuming anyone out there has harnessed light speed travel through Space, then it would take 200,000 years to just cross our Milky Way galaxy non stop at light speed. The Milky Way has maybe up to 100 billion solar systems, and then there are other galaxies both bigger and smaller than ours, billions upon billions of them..... How do you think anyone out there is supposed to find Earth life from such distances? The laser light based signals we've been sending out won't escape our galaxy for 200,000 years, and that's assuming the area of sky we have sent them toward has beings on the other end in the first place waiting for a light signal for signs of life.

This all assumes they also have the power to overcome time dilation, which would add even more years onto the journey every time they crossed paths with a supermassive object like a black hole of which there are countless numbers floating around empty space and in the middle of every one of those galaxies powering them.

The numbers are far too great for us to come in contact with space faring beings out there. I'm sure they are out there.... Just the probability of them finding us are so slim it's just not worth thinking about in the grand scheme of things.

It's great being optimistic, but with this topic, once you get your head around the actual numbers involved you can appreciate why we should be more realistic than optimistic.
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Thats just it though. You dont know if any other civilisations have such technology. You are basing things on what 'humans' know. I am open to more advanced civilisations being out there.
 
koolpc said:
Thats just it though. You dont know if any other civilisations have such technology. You are basing things on what 'humans' know. I am open to more advanced civilisations being out there.
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And I'm open to gods and wizards and unicorns and dragons being out there. I don't think it's likely, but I'm open to the possibility.

We've no way of reasonably assessing the probability of abiogenesis.
We've no way of reasonably assessing the probability of eukyrotes developing from prokyrotes.
We've no way of reasonably assessing the probability of complex life developing from simple life.
We've no way of reasonably assessing the probability of intellligent life developing from complex life.
We've no way of reasonably assessing the probability of complex societies developing from complex life.
We've no way of reasonably assessing the probability of any hypothetical complex society developing technology and understanding even as advanced as ours.

We have a sample size of 1 and several processes we don't understand to such an extent we don't even understand the circumstances in which they could happen. Drawing conclusions from that is a very tenuous stretch.

Adding all that together and then adding unknown techno-magic based on presuming that current human understanding of the universe is not just limited but fundamentally utterly wrong takes being "open" a very long way indeed.
 
I know some are alluding to the idea that it is aliens, but sorry I don't buy it.

The most plausible explanation is top secret experimental military aircraft. The part that makes it seem implausible, is the science behind it. But once you get your head around that part, and the idea that they do know how to do this, it isn't really such a big deal.

The stealth bomber had been in the works for what say 20 years before it was officially announced? Granted, this isn't flying the way these so-called "tic tacs" are, but it's an example of how these types of top secret aircraft are kept under wraps for so long.

In the case of anti-gravity aircraft defying the laws of physics, you are probably wondering what's the hold up from being publicly announced after so many years of various sightings?

Well, to put it simply: oil.

Anti-gravity technology is probably kept secret because such technology would mean that cars, vehicles, aircraft would move freely without consuming oil and that would cause oil companies to collapse, and where there is oil there is power and money, and It's always about power and money.

But regarding anti-gravity technology in space travel, I don't think this has been mastered yet. There might be experiments, but I reckon it's confined to Earth for now.

I also don't think this technology is reverse engineered from alien technology at all. There are a lot of very interesting theories and experiments from the work of Nikola Tesla, that probably plays a role here, and from other great minds. But much of their work is not all public probably for a reason.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
We'll never reach the speeds, just remember in Star Trek, Warp Speed is many times the speed of light.
Carbon based life won't be able to survive such speeds - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/star-wars-science-light-speed/
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The speed is fine, it is the acceleration that is the problem.But that is why shows like star trek talk about "inertial dampeners". Presumably in these scenarios we have mastered the artificial generation and manipulation of gravitational forces, which is why the space craft can levitate and the space stations have artificial gravity.

Also, the warp speeds described may not mean the space ship actually travels at light speed.Normally some kind of worm hole or manipulation of space-time is suggested so that the relative speed is super-lightspeed but the physical speed is slow. The creation of artificial wormholes is feasible in theoretical physics, but the energy requirements are huge.
 
Re. Faster-than-the-speed of light - I seem to recall a French fellow (on tv science doco) recently researching "spooky motion" using split photons claiming the synchronised movement between the two photon 'halves' was instantaneous - ie. faster than the speed of light.

As someone pointed out in physics forum, it's good for a next-generation and interplanetary communication signalling network once they get a better handle on it.
 
Secret_Window said:
I dont think this technology is reverse engineered from alien technology at all. There are a lot of very interesting theories and experiments from the work of Nikola Tesla, that probably plays a role here, and from other great minds. But much of their work is not all public probably for a reason.
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Like you say, technologies like this definately exist but arent public. German scientists in ww2 had antigrav and other technlogies working in a closed environment, so i think by now man-kind will have progressed in the field
 
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