More teacher strikes

It is legal if he isn't including bank holidays.

Why would you not include bank hols? Are they not holidays? Even if you have to work them they get added to your leave quota in lieu.

If were not including bank hols then we should remove 7 of the 8 bank hols from the teachers reckoning ad they fall in existing holidays.
 
Why is it that working in the civil service shields you from the real working world?

Why does working in the private sector make you a spineless loser willing to be walked all over by rubbish employers?

You shouldn't be grateful you have a job, your employer should be grateful you're willing to work for them.
 
Do they, I think not. It's down to your contract.

Holiday entitlement is 5.6 weeks per year Inc bank hols. If you have to work the bank hols you are still entitled to 5.6 weeks annual leave per year.
 
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Coming from a family who indirectly or directly work(s) in education I always knew teachers were simply not '9-3' workers. I didn't fully appreciate the actual hours until I started going out with my current girlfriend, at times it's astonishing! The hours posted in the OP would have been surprising to me 11 months ago; she works her socks off for the normal aspects of her job and then there is all of the additional work she does on top of that.

I think, in the big picture, it is generally a fair deal. You work your butt off but it seems a very rewarding job and the extra holiday balances it out.
 
Which wasn't what he said.
It's nit day in lieu.

He said that unless he also gets bank holidays then 23 days is illegal....minimum holiday entitlement in the UK is 28 days for a 5 day week. If it includes bank holidays (so 23+8) then if he works those bank holidays he is entitled to a day in lieu to enable him to have his statutory holiday entitlement. Which as he has a shut down at Xmas for 3 days, it may well be that he gets 23 days plus bank holidays which comes out at 28 days..or 4 weeks, plus 8 bank holidays (3 of which are mandatorily taken at Xmas)
 
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He said that unless he also gets bank holidays then 23 days is illegal....minimum holiday entitlement in the UK is 28 days for a 5 day week. If he also gets bank holidays then if he works those bank holidays he is entitled to a day in lieu to enable him to have his statutory holiday entitlement.

Eh? if he gets 28 days AND bank holidays, then by working a bank holiday he isn't impacting on the 28 days so why would he get a day in lieu?
 
That is a really annoying sub-point as it assumes everyone in the private sector can afford to go abroad regardless.

I would say that the majority of people educated to the same level as a teacher can afford to holiday abroad. And I never said anything about going abroad.
 
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Eh? if he gets 28 days AND bank holidays, then by working a bank holiday he isn't impacting on the 28 days so why would he get a day in lieu?

He said he got 23 days..not 28, 28 is the legal minimum which can include bank holidays. Please read the whole train of conversation.
 
My OH is currently doing her PGCE through teachfirst, and therefore teaching full time as well.

The workload is fully mental. I couldn't tell you how many hours she actually does, but there's time to eat and sleep around work, that's about it. Holidays are taken up with marking and planning. The schools expects the marking to be done comprehensively and regularly, and marking work properly takes a lot of time.

The pay for the hours and stress is low. I wouldn't even consider doing it. Some schools are very supportive, however some aren't. My OH is doing all of her lessons from scratch. The school refuse to give them any lesson plans to work from as "It makes lazy teachers".

The kids range from lovely intelligent beings, to arrogant, violent psychopaths. Some of the stories she's come home with, if I were put in a similar situation (like when fights kick off and the teachers end up being shoved and kicked in the brawl) I would have got myself sacked by putting several pupils on the floor.

It's a job that is done by people that love what they can change in kid's lives. It's also hugely stressful on a professional and emotional level. The kids futures quite literally depend on the teachers in many cases. As OH said to me the other day, she's got 30 science GCSE's to get in the next 2 months!!
 
I don't get this stupid mentality that if one industry is having a bad time of things, that everyone should be dragged down to that level. Sounds like jealousy and selfishness. If your career/job sucks then do something about it, why does everyone else have to suffer too?

Life isn't about being a slave and if you feel that you are, do something about it!

I agree. If teachers don't like the terms, find another job.
 
Steampunk - How can she be teaching midwifery and nursing to 16-18 year olds when they are degree entry professions? First aid is a vocational subject/qualification and anatomy is a degree level module in specific degrees.

It was for those that wanted to move on to do a degree in nursing or health and social care, so college level students and mature students moving into nursing and social work. I think Functional Anatomy was one of the first courses she wrote.
 
I suggest you lawyer up then as that's below the legal entitlement, presuming you're full time.



Where did you get 91 days from? It's 65 days (6 weeks summer, 3 half terms, two weeks xmas and two weeks easter).

As I understand it, teachers get 6 weeks in summer (42 days)
Three half term holidays at a week per term (21 days)
Two weeks at Christmas (14 days)
Two weeks at Easter (14 days)

Oh, and lets not forget the eight bank holidays (8 days) ;)

Yes, yes feel free to comment that weekends are included in those figures. My response is that they have to be by the nature of the typical working days of a teacher. Also bear in mind that in reality half term holidays are 5 working days + a weekend either side which total 9 days 'off work', not 7 or 5 as some people would try and make out.

I used to get 35 days annual leave in the private sector. If you aren't getting a good AL allowance then move to a better employer (because let's face it, you too chicken **** to fight for it with your current employer). Or, and here's and idea, become a teacher?

lol, aggressive much? :rolleyes:

No, I am happy with the annual leave I get. If I were not, then I would vote with my feet - much like teachers should if they feel hard done to ;)

Regarding fighting my employers, there is not really any point. If I am unhappy I move on, I don't expect my employer to cater for my every whim at my demand because that is unreasonable. If that makes me a chicken so be it, but I prefer to see it as being grounded in reality. Striking is not as effective as voting with your feet. But then if teachers did that, they would lose all of the cushy perks that they won't get anywhere else ;) I feel for them, I would also find it hard to let go of that kind of holiday entitlement too!! ;) I also think it should be noted that the 'fighting' approach has not proven too effective for teachers has it? Finally regarding who is a chicken, yes it takes real cojones to strike when you have no fear of consequence other than perhaps losing a days pay, but you will cause misery to parents up and down the land who have to try and make alternative arrangements for their children who should be in school (but woe betide them if they should dare take their child out of school in term time!! :rolleyes:). Real bravery from the striking teachers there. I would respect them more if they walked out for good, and in truth this would force the government to rethink their approach. As it stands, striking will make the government dig their heels in and use it as an excuse to batter teachers over the head for taking part in an unpopular strike. It is actually counter productive and gives the government more leverage and undermines the cause of the teachers.

Just saying ;)
 
As someone who's currently working unqualified in a school I can tell you the biggest issue all the staff complain about is the sheer amount of paperwork that's for no purpose other then statistical analysis of pointless 'things' and ofsfed enforced jumping through hoops.
Examples:
Ofsted want us to be paperless as much as possible - yet refuse to look through electronic versions of all our data and want it to be printed and hand-filled in for their benefit.

A child from a disadvantaged background will grant the school more £££ to spend on equipment or w/e to aid their development. The government want to see written evidence for what this money is spent on as well as expert theory behind why it was beneficial. Also we once got 'told off' for underspending on a child by 96p

We are required to track progress of every child for every single lesson and compare it to their "lifetime predicted grade" (an expected outcome based on factors pretty much decided at birth, - place of birth, parents education etc). Here's when it gets crazy - someone from a disadvantaged background predicted to scrape through education is exceeding? They couldn't care less. Tom, son of sir Tom the fourth esquire archiving a merit over distinction ? Suddenly your bombarded with questions demanding answers for why his gifted individual is slipping down in the system.
We're basically made to spend more time with uninterested children of more wealthy families then those who really want to learn. And that's jus the tip of the iceberg - the entire system is so so broken, easily over 50% of the paperwork only exists for the govt or ofsted to look at once in a blue moon.
 
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