Ofsted do not grade individual lessons anymore
http://news.tes.co.uk/b/ofsted-watc...-grade-teachers-on-individual-lessons-39.aspx
http://news.tes.co.uk/b/ofsted-watc...-grade-teachers-on-individual-lessons-39.aspx
More teacher strikes
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Inspectors should not grade teachers on individual lessons
Should not....however they still do, as do management.
My wife is a teacher, as are the majority of her family and my sister in law.
My wife teaches PE and has a great deal. Short hours, long holidays, ok pay and good job satisfaction.
My sister in law is a primary teacher, stark contrast. Looking hours, hard work and constant targets.
Pick your role carefully is my advice in teaching
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I listened to an interview with one of the union members about the strike. They were dribbling on about how it was for the parents and the kids blah blah. If that was true then why were the parents not given a vote ? If these millitant teachers who are aganst change so concerned about the kids education then they should have informed the parents and got them on side before making this decision.
In reality its all about themselves being against change. EVeryone knows that kids are brain dead by the time they get to university, the education system needs reform and these millitant teachers/unions are about stamping their feet as they have had it easy for far too long now.
No sympathy here either, I cant go on strike everytime my company makes a change. Get in the real world, compared to most private sector workers you have it easy. You certainly will make it even harder for them now as they will have to take time off work to look after the kids so you can stamp your feet. Bravo its for the kids lol tosh ....
In reality its all about themselves being against change. EVeryone knows that kids are brain dead by the time they get to university, the education system needs reform and these millitant teachers/unions are about stamping their feet as they have had it easy for far too long now.
No sympathy here either, I cant go on strike everytime my company makes a change. Get in the real world, compared to most private sector workers you have it easy. You certainly will make it even harder for them now as they will have to take time off work to look after the kids so you can stamp your feet. Bravo its for the kids lol tosh ....
Parents need to realise that teachers are not childminders.
The idea of a performance management model is a good one. The trouble is, no-one has ever come up with a good one for anything other than the most basic job. Pretty much without exception, performance management is just an expensive and time-consuming way of judging how well you get on with your boss. There are bosses who can judge their staff fairly, but larger number who cannot: playing favourites is human nature. PM is also an excellent way of bullying staff, or enforcing the latest stupid management fad which someone read in a book.
If you can get it work, in a fair and open manner, I'll be behind it completely. But I've heard enough stories from teachers about bullying, incompetent head teachers (you remember them, the ones who will be doing the performance management) to think this will work as well as any other PM scheme: badly. In general, whether you agree with PM scheme is a simple function of what your box marking is.
But how do you measure performance on out-of-hours work? What about running the school football team in the evenings? Should you get extra credit? If so, isn't that penalising those who don't work in the evenings? What about time spent helping other teachers? How do you record that? How do you avoid heads using the PM system to force teachers to teach to exam: something I think will agree is Not a Good Thing? And best of all: where are you going to find the time to do all this?
I agree entirely that bad teachers should be fired, and good teachers rewarded. But that opens another can of worms: money. Is your scheme just going to redistribute the money the school already has? Or is the scheme going to work on a national basis, comparing teachers everywhere? And either way: why? If school A has 10% good teachers, but school B has 20%, should school B get more money? If they get the same budget, why should the good teachers in school B get their pay diluted because they are more of them? Should we pay teachers more: they may get more than many at start, but the pay is hardly enough to attract the best graduates. Is mediocre OK?
And who judges the academies? So far the government is trying to make the answer: non-one if they can avoid it. This government is so determined to see the academies work that they are happy to steal money from the other schools to fund them. Should we insist that the teaching standard is higher by the same amount?
Devil, details etc.
Management will still grade lessons but as I understand it Ofsted are not supposed to share the grade of a lesson with management.
They look closer at long term progress now rather than one off whiz bang lessons which I feel is much better as it's the consistently good teachers who are rewarded rather than those who can have a one off outstanding lesson then coast for months.
I definitely agree that it makes a difference what role you take in a school, English and maths for example are much higher pressure and you have to work with every single student in the school once they start ks4 unlike my subject which choose to study.
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Performance management does not work...
The whole teaching profession encourages sharing best practice and resources with department members.
PM would mean teachers would not share anything due to the increased pay rewards.
The whole teaching profession encourages sharing best practice and resources with department members.
PM would mean teachers would not share anything due to the increased pay rewards.
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You seem to miss the point. Andy and I have no choice, this is the real world of the private sector job market. Lots of people like me are stuck on zero hours contracts. We can refuse to work the hours but it is likely we wont be offered many hours the following week. So my choice is to do it or go on the dole.
Believe me if I could get a 9-5 job I certainly would. I have been for about 30 interviews this year. There is a massive amount of competition in the market and seeing that I am the wrong side of 40 the odds are not exactly stacked in my favour.
I am praying that a job managing a social club will come off, but again it will be unsocial hours but the money seems pretty good.
I am not against teachers, I have a PGCE myself. But the job market is diabolical out there despite the statistics the Government is bleating out.
I think we would all like more pay, less hours and better working conditions but it just isn't really happening for most at the moment. Lots of people have not had a pay rise in years. I can't see why the teaching profession believes they are an exception to this.
But the politicians are deserving of a pay rise?
Nurses are not ?
You clearly know very little about the subject of teaching....
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Couldnt agree more mate but teachers shouldnt be using the kids as an excuse to strike in that case. NOW if they went on strike over unruly kids and not being able to discipline them without fear of being sacked, then I would be totally in favour. Kids get away with too much, when i was at school I feared and repected my teachers whereas they do not anymore.
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But the politicians are deserving of a pay rise?
Nurses are not ?
You clearly know very little about the subject of teaching....
You will not find anyone that thinks politicians desverve a pay rise. If people in the private sector are not getting pay rises then why should the public sector? Are people in the public sector saying they are more deserving than the rest of us? Do they work harder? DO they do a better job than those in the private sector?
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Youw ill never be at work, the french are always on strike lol
The politicians seem to think they deserve a pay rise that's my point
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I thought they were on strike because they believe the changes to the system will be detremental to the childrens education, or was that the strike last time?
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But the politicians are deserving of a pay rise?
Nurses are not ?
You clearly know very little about the subject of teaching....
It's not about what one 'deserves', it's about economics. Paying a hundred MPs more costs nothing relatively to giving tons of nurses and teachers even a small increment.
There are half a million qualified nurses in the NHS and nearly half a million teachers. So giving them just a £500 pay rise every year would cost the treasury an extra half a billion pounds. The same is true in reverse, if you can someone save £500 on each employee you#ve saved £500m.
The law of large numbers, too many people forget it and try and compare payrises in small specialised job roles and can't figure out why we can'tdo the same for massive industries with hundreds of thousands of workers.
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No sympathy for teachers. In my considerable experience in the school system (been to far more schools than most), I've found teachers to be useless people for the most part.
Very very rarely do you meet anyone who is decent and actually takes their job vocationally.
The world of teaching is a million miles away from the world of work.
Oh and my dad was a headteacher->deputy head--> assistant head--> head of department etc. He will happily confirm that lots of teachers are genuinely useless people who are in the job for the holidays and the easy life.
Their performance management in having to reach targets is so hated, because it actually expects teachers to put in the work.
Personally I think teaching should be massively overhauled. Make it far more competitive and ultimately more useful to everyone.
Very very rarely do you meet anyone who is decent and actually takes their job vocationally.
The world of teaching is a million miles away from the world of work.
Oh and my dad was a headteacher->deputy head--> assistant head--> head of department etc. He will happily confirm that lots of teachers are genuinely useless people who are in the job for the holidays and the easy life.
Their performance management in having to reach targets is so hated, because it actually expects teachers to put in the work.
Personally I think teaching should be massively overhauled. Make it far more competitive and ultimately more useful to everyone.
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