most pirated games 2009

I'm surprised it's not a higher number really.

It's funny how people think downloading is any different than stealing (DVD you wouldn’t steal a film video springs to mind :rolleyes:)

That's because it is different. Pretending it's the same is counter-productive if you want anyone to take you seriously.

Most of the people I know download games and this it’s their right to do so because it's too expensive and the company deserves it and all that jazz. I agree a lot of it is overpriced but it’s not like that’s gonna help lowering the prices...

It isn't going to hinder lowering the prices either, because the only link between piracy and game prices is that each is sometimes used as an excuse for the other.

I think PC games are quite cheap, considering the cost per hour. Having said that, I generally buy games that were released more than a couple of months ago, so the price has dropped a lot. I don't recall ever paying more than £20 for a game and I've had some good games for £5, or even £2 second hand.

Maybe soon we'll have to use fingerprint recognition and facial recognition online every time we want to play a game (including offline, single-player), to prevent piracy...and if it worked the games will be more expensive partly to pay for it and partly because the publishers could get away with it. The main point of "anti-piracy" stuff appears to be to irritate legitimate customers. Maybe games companies could sell players' details for marketing purposes. Assuming they don't already do that.
 
Nothing solid that you can hold in your hands get taken away, no. But instead of cashing in NOTHING for a game they get nothing.
Fixed, for the majority of pirates who wouldn't buy it any way.
If they get nothing they can’t make a product the next time. If in some years the majority of the games get pirated then how are they going to survive? Maybe they have to lower the prices then but really, how many are actually gonna start buying the games then when they have had it for free for so many years?
Reasonable prices, get rid of the many middle-men, transportation, etcetc: Offer the digital version cheaper significantly cheaper than the retail, they are taking the **** charging more digitally than retail, where many more traders take their cut. I haven't bought a single game except gta iv for 50€ ( the release price for most games here), but bought many for 25 ish or less. The prices on steam when they are on a weekend deal are usually reasonable prices.

Yea so 'they already earn too much' well us who pay, pay the company's salaries so they can create this game for you to download for free. Fair?
Yes prices are too high. But that doesn’t mean I'm just going to screw that and pirate the stuff I want until they 'fix it'.
That wasn't me who said it.
I do believe piracy has gone a little bit too far, but I still still disagree that piracy is always a lost sale, or that it is stealing.
 
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What can't be ignored is that 4 of the top 5 PC games pirated don't have a demo (correct me if I'm wrong), and so many people turn to downloading the full game to try it, though I imagine a lot have no intention of buying it.

Illegal torrents seem to be being clamped down on nowadays thankfully, and people should realise it only makes the full games more expensive and less PC releases emerge.

There was a time when I may have thought about pirating the most expensive PC games, such as COD4 or MW, but that's only because they charge silly money for them new. As a PC gamer I'm used to spending quite a bit less (I know consoles are different). However, the expensive games are almost always over-hyped rubbish anyway now. Best game I've played in the last few years is probably Fallout 3, which has been priced very sensibly on all platforms imo, and probably benefited from it.

PIrating games in no way makes games more expensive, games have sold at similar levels for a long time. Many hundreds of millions of people have pc's, not everyone games, not every gamer buys every major release, its impossible to say how many people will want to spend money on any particular game. Set the price too high and less people buy it, its really that simple. Theres been no slow down in release of pc games, theres a profit to be made, it will be made, its really that simple. COD MW 2 made a killing in PC sales, they'll continue to release games as long as they make profit, which they do with ease, as all decent games do.

Crap games don't sell well regardless of pirates, likewise good games sell well regardless of pirates. Many pirates download a game so they can play it at the same time as everyone else, and have still bought and are awaiting the game. Fallout 3 was no more or less expensive than any other game on release, for as long as I can remember 99% of games launch between £18-26 on preorder, with one exception that I can remember in the past 5 years(cod mw 2).

Price has nothing to do with it, at the end of the day people can't spend an infinite amount of cash on everything, once they are tapped out, most people will either never ever play a companies game, never pay for it, or maybe download it, play it and have basically stolen nothing.


The numbers are also skewed, heavily. Theres zero point for most people to burn a game for a pc and share it with other people, its a waste of time, effort and money, everyone can just get their own copy. For consoles, thats not true, you have to burn the media anyway, so one friend is far more likely to download a console game and lend the disc to friends to play.

Likewise on both platforms, downloading the material doesn't equal lost sales, nor people who actually played the game, nor people who haven't paid for a game. All 4.1million pc version downloaders could all have ordered the game, and all the 360 users could have downloaded and shared it with another 15 million xbox owners, the numbers themselves indicate nothing in regards to who downloads more on what.
 
for as long as I can remember 99% of games launch between £18-26 on preorder, with one exception that I can remember in the past 5 years(cod mw 2).
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Double those prices and that's about true for the Netherlands...

There is NO WAY you can get a new game pre-ordered for 20 € here. They are all 45-65€ here on release.
 
Set the price too high and less people buy it, its really that simple. Theres been no slow down in release of pc games.

1. Console games sell more and retail for more
2. There has been a decline in PC sales, especially when you factor in the growth rates of each medium - only sector that seems to be immune seems to be MMOs, maybe the next fps will charge monthly fees too

these are facts it's that simple ;)
 
You know if it wasn't for the pirates then PC games wouldn't be so expensive.

Maybe the students , Dole Waller's , and Stegs of the UK don't realise that because of them the games are so expensive.

I have a job and pay for my games. Could buy dozens and wouldn't notice a difference in my bank account ......

... As i posted earlier i can't wait for the day when the only way to buy a PC game is via STEAM ..... i won't have a problem with that ...
 
1. Console games sell more and retail for more
2. There has been a decline in PC sales, especially when you factor in the growth rates of each medium

these are facts it's that simple ;)

I will probably never buy a console, they will lose a customer if they stop releasing games for pc, I'm sure many other pc gamers are the same.

You know if it wasn't for the pirates then PC games wouldn't be so expensive.
Maybe the students , Dole Waller's , and Stegs of the UK don't realise that because of them the games are so expensive.
100% correct...........As does anyone see PS3 games being cheaper then xbox360 or PC games ;)
 
well if mw2 was priced a bit lower and they didnt screw the pc gamers over then i personally believe it could have been one of the best selling games on pc ever.
atm there is a big gap in the market for the next best fps online game which they could have taken advantage of....i dont feel sorry for them.

i was really looking forward to the game and wanted to buy it but without the dedicated servers i lost interest and i know i wasnt alone on that.....so its their own fault they lost quite a bit of sales.
 
... As i posted earlier i can't wait for the day when the only way to buy a PC game is via STEAM ..... i won't have a problem with that ...

well that would be a bit silly....its like saying i cant wait for nvidia(or ati) to be the only graphics manufacturer and you dont need me to tell you what would happen then.


also most pc games arent expensive.
 
well that would be a bit silly....its like saying i cant wait for nvidia(or ati) to be the only graphics manufacturer and you dont need me to tell you what would happen then.

...meaning a system like STEAM for each and every devoloper ... bring it on ....
 
The figures don't really mean anything without being put into some sort of context. For instance, how they relate to sales of the said games.


you can check sales data on Chartrack for UK and NPD for US; however december figures are not yet published. Based on publisher's sales announcements of CoD MW2 - this would be a significant portion - around 40%-50% of copies would be pirate. (and for PC it would be worse since most of legit sales are on console and most picracy is on PC)

Also i am not sure if torrentfreaks covers all of piracy outside the west (ie China etc...). their figures aren't very clear on that, but anyway it gives an idea of how pervasive piracy has become
 
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If I can find it i'll post it up, but there was an article posted on some site about the amount of 'gaming grade' PC's in use vs. amount of consoles in use (With sources). The PC's outnumbered consoles altogether so it's not surprising to see more pirated PC games. I'd say these pirated figures don't really mean much, as we all knew MW2 was gonna get pirated into the sky after IW's many screw ups.

After finding out that Capcom are releasing a PC exclusive in the near future, DICE are making their BF BC2 PC version from scratch and that Deus Ex 3 is going to be PC exclusive, i'm going to say that PC gaming is far from dead, pirates or no. If Capcom, who have been releasing a steady stream of excellent ports to PC, absolutely perfect ports in most cases with extra features, decide that they can make a PC exclusive, i'm going to side with them.

We should get a new petition, everyone buy BF BC2 and make it outsell MW2 on the PC at least. Show IW that they didn't get pirated because all PC gamers are pirates, but because they're morons who spit on their customers.
 
Unless they tell us how they count the pirated version it doesn't mean a lot.

How many people just try to download it and see it that it will take forever to do so because of throttling. They may come back several times to see if the speed improves but never actually get the full game. Do they count complete downloads or just the number of attempts.
 
Nothing solid that you can hold in your hands get taken away, no. But instead of cashing in £30-40 for a game they get nothing. If they get nothing they can’t make a product the next time.

So second hand sales are stealing yes?

"They" get nothing for the sale...
 
that is your PoV although most would disagree since they are quite popular games. unless you have been living on another planet many good studios have been forced to shut down over the last several years, we get very few exclusive PC games etc...

if that dosen't worry you, so be it. then enjoy your console because reality is that economically many studios cannot make ends meet. Even big companies liek EA had to lay off over 1000 employees recently, because even if they sell tons of FiFa etc... they still need to recoup on other initiatives which didnt do as well as planned.

You've heard of this 'global recession' thing, right?

Not that piracy is a good thing, but it's definitely worth keeping in mind that those download figures do not equate to lost sales. Many of the downloaders would have never bought the game anyhow.

The real problem is spiraling development costs vs market size.
 
You know if it wasn't for the pirates then PC games wouldn't be so expensive.

Maybe the students , Dole Waller's , and Stegs of the UK don't realise that because of them the games are so expensive.

I have a job and pay for my games. Could buy dozens and wouldn't notice a difference in my bank account ......

... As i posted earlier i can't wait for the day when the only way to buy a PC game is via STEAM ..... i won't have a problem with that ...

:rolleyes:

And yes, I also have a job, pay taxes/buy my games/etc.
 
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