motherboard = New “Microsoft: Upgraded windows Licence”

So how many people tell there friends they brought a new pc just because they upgraded or replace there motherboard...

PC systems are made of Components so you can upgrade....All microsoft want to do is milk everyone for every penny they can.
 
Slam62 said:
nobody has come up with a remotely similar example, you're all clutching at straws.......

You lot are so naiive, just lie on your back waving your legs in the air as you chuck your money away......


Look what chamberlain did just before the second world war, do you think Churchill should have said 'yes thats fine mr hitler' you take poland hungary and the rest, if you want to, come over here and have all our birds too, we're terribly sorry we spoke up against you. that would have worked well.
Ok, I was begining to suspect your posts might have been trolling before, I think that just makes it conclusive...

Either that or Slam62 world is a wild an wacky place where the normal rules of normality don't exist :D
 
chaparral said:
So how many people tell there friends they brought a new pc just because they upgraded or replace there motherboard...

PC systems are made of Components so you can upgrade....All microsoft want to do is milk everyone for every penny they can.
/sigh I give up....
 
Slam62 said:
If i buy a piece of software its mine to use as i please,but not to copy or use in a way contrary to the laws of the land, fortunately ms does not define the law in this country.

I'm not going to bother to keep coming up with examples when i don't need to, i'll state the facts...

I think you'll find the license is legally binding in the UK. So by trying to swap an OEM license over to a PC with a different mobo you are using the software in a way contrary to the laws of the land.

Seriously if you're this passionate about it then buy a retail license for an extra £50, then you'll be able to do everything you want and MS will happily help you.

If we're namby pamby liberals does that make you a dillusional socialist who wants things they haven't paid for just because they believe they are entitled to it :p

End of the day the mobo rule is in the license, and when you clicked 'i agree' when installing windows without obviously reading the agreement, you are bound to it, you would never ever win a legal arguement because you have made the conscious decision to install an untransferable piece of software.

Thats the law, you agreed ;) no backtracking allowed i'm afraid.
 
chaparral said:
So how many people tell there friends they brought a new pc just because they upgraded or replace there motherboard...

PC systems are made of Components so you can upgrade....All microsoft want to do is milk everyone for every penny they can.


Technically they don't have to offer cut price OEM software, so if they really wanted to milk everyone for every penny they can then they would insist you paid for the full retail version.

The problem comes when people buy a cut priced version for £50, and expect it to do the same thing as the £120 version, thats not the way the world works.

It's not MS who are taking advantage of people, its people who are trying to take advantage of MS by paying less and getting more, finding loopholes to exploit...except there arn't any, OEM clearly states 1 license per mobo, its all in the agreement when you install.
 
Which is why I made the suggestion (which AFAICT no-one else has actually commented on) that new motherboards should come with the option of being bundled with an OEM copy of XP Home, with driver support built-in for an additional cost to cover the motherboard manufacturer paying Microsoft for the licensing :)
Of course, they should also sell their products without the OS for less money, for those of us who do have bona-fide corp / retail versions or who do not wish to install a MS OS on our systems!
 
M0KUJ1N said:
Which is why I made the suggestion (which AFAICT no-one else has actually commented on) that new motherboards should come with the option of being bundled with an OEM copy of XP Home, with driver support built-in for an additional cost to cover the motherboard manufacturer paying Microsoft for the licensing :)
Of course, they should also sell their products without the OS for less money, for those of us who do have bona-fide corp / retail versions or who do not wish to install a MS OS on our systems!

i think thats a good idea, although i hope it doesn't happen as i'm hoping to turn my shuttle into a media centre PC at some point and was just planning on getting an OEM copy :p

Personally i've been using OEM for years, and are now of the opinion that the retail version is much better value for money in the long run.
 
mce is only oem anyway.

I agree that motherboards should offer the option of a bundled copy of xp, but i guess you just have to buy the copy at the same time.

Apart from the telephone support, how can a retail copy be better than an oem copy. (ok dont state the obvious)
oh sorry dont bother answering that, i dont care.
I'm still not convinced over the license thing though.
Some bloke elseware made the point that if you change your case you probably have to buy a new license retail or otherwise unless you remember to very carefully remove the sticker you were obliged to stick on it and put it on the new one. Although you'll probably find the sticker is not allowed to be removed.
Where do all these coa's on ebay fit in, are they all totally illegal as well, i guess they must be.

I looked on ebay for a copy of office 2003, this bloke had loads for sale for £5 i e-mailed him and asked him how come and he replied saying they were 'good copies' how come these type of people never get done.
It all seems so out of balance to me, the honest bloke ends up paying through the nose all the time, wouldnt it be better to encourage honesty ie make the purchased product a little bit more flexible aqnd better value. The oem price point has shown that people think its reasonable. (please dont answer one of the few people who pay for a full retail in p **** c globe, please try to see the reasoning, just assume for the sake of arguement not everyone is loaded and that they search for value in every penny spent)
regards
 
tmileson said:
This is not a change and has always been the case.

If you buy an OEM PC the OEM license is tied to the PC. If you buy an OEM license with hardware it's tied to that hardware.

Surely it must have occured to people that an OEM version of Windows was just that, designed for OEMs and was half the price for a reason?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/17/microsoft_oem_shocker/


Would this mean that retailers could sell an OEM operating system with a single componants (i.e. a power supply)? if thats the case then all that needs to happen is that the oem licenced windows can ship with a piece of hardware which is rarely upgraded like a floppy drive.

On another note how do microsoft know whats in the computer when A. they state that they do not take any information from your pc B. Some people activate over the phone so microsoft cannot know what the machine shipped with?

I was wondering if they actually mean the windows in the little celofane rapper with the licence and OEM written under the number or if they are litterally talking about OEM licences which are badged for the specific manafacturer?
 
Sorry, i should have re worded that. I believe (and it's too late for me to check, it's been a long day) that the license is tied to the hardware in as much as you should only use that copy of windows in the PC that you "build" using the hardware you bought the copy of XP with (by buying OEM software you are in effect working as a original equipment manufacturer, or PC builder).

Once the PC is built and the software installed it is tied to that PC. To avoid someone upgrading the PC forever and claiming it's the same PC even though it bares no resemblence any more (i.e it went from a P3 700mhz 256mb 20gb integral graphics etc to a AMD x2 4800, 2GB, 300GB, 7800GTX) and is in effect a "new/different PC", the license is then tied to the motherboard for the purposes of upgrading.

Otherwise you could indeed buy a floppy drive, never even bother connecting it let alone change it and upgrade forever claiming the license was tied to the FDD

:)
 
People who Like to Change their Computer Case: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29854

I reported this to one of your guys some time ago. I am in the Microsoft Partner Program due to being a small systems integrator and purchasing the Action Pack subscription. After my purchase I reviewed their "presentation" on the OEM Toolkit.

Essentially the reasoning goes like this. You can swap out anything in your computer except the motherboard and you don't have to buy a new license. If you replace the motherboard you must repurchase Windows.

Their reasoning is that as an OEM, when the system changes, you can't be expected to support it. So, an OEM that sells a computer and puts on a copy of Windows XP OEM then months later the motherboard is replaced you must purchase a new license.

Their reasoning is that the person that sells you the new mobo is now the OEM and hence you can't be expected to support it.

Essentially, it is one of support. If you change your hardware that dramatically it no longer is the same machine. Since OEMs support Windows when the OEM license is sold with the hardware, well, I think you understand.

There actually is another time when you must purchase a new license. That's when you change your computer case. The reason is the sticker. Since the OEM license requires the sticker be placed in a visible place on the outside of the case, and the fact that it is against the license to remove the sticker, you must purchase a new license to remain legal.

This is a stealth requirement. It is the same computer but a different case. It is the same lines of code, etc. It is unreasonable. Microsoft devised this as a method of forcing more purchases, even though the OS is exactly the same.

The same goes for the replacement mobo. It isn't the OEM that is required to purchase or replace the OS. It is the consumer. So, even if the consumer doesn't care about support they are still legally bound to do it. There should be no reason for this requirement. As well, it impedes agreements between the OEM and the customer by forcing Microsoft's idea of support on the product, hence impeding free enterprise.

The only way that I know of to overcome this is to purchase the retail version. So, as a matter of course I never purchase the OEM versions.

Unfortunately Microsoft provides only OEM licenses to the Action Pack subscribers, and hence if I upgrade a computer inhouse I lose one of the licenses. At least that's the way it looks.

Frankly, IMHO, it is a con. Essentially, it is theft. It should never be up to Microsoft to force decisions on a customer and if their basic license was reasonable to begin with (over-inflated prices due to their monopoly) then customers would not have this quandary. If the OEM decides to support a license on a replaced MOBO Microsoft should not be able to thwart that.
 
Posted by tmilesone.
"If you buy an OEM PC the OEM license is tied to the PC. If you buy an OEM license with hardware it's tied to that hardware."

so....what happens if the Win Xp o.e.m License is not sold with any hardware ?
 
clapton is god said:
Posted by tmilesone.
"If you buy an OEM PC the OEM license is tied to the PC. If you buy an OEM license with hardware it's tied to that hardware."

so....what happens if the Win Xp o.e.m License is not sold with any hardware ?
It should not be possible to buy a Win XP OEM license without hardware.
 
have you guys got some fee for promoting the retail :cool: license or are you just trying to be annoying.
At the end of the day, we dont disagree that the rule is there, we're just saying its too restrictive, you're saying it isnt and that we've paid for less because of the restrictions.
Unfortunately, i for one feel that a large part of the cost of the retail version must be due to the telephone support which i will never use so ms are thus not offering a product which fits my needs.
Before you start arguing over this, telephone support is very expensive and people who buy retail and dont use it are subsidising those who do.

I think the products are very good but i would still like to see competition.
I shall continue to buy oem, i shall just becareful about the mboards
Fortunately, my last two were asrock939s which are ace and i've just seen piccies of the riser boiard that upgrades it to socket am2, i presume ms will change the license to exclude these.
 
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Slam62 said:
have you guys got some fee for promoting the retail :cool: license or are you just trying to be annoying.
At the end of the day, we dont disagree that the rule is there, we're just saying its too restrictive, you're saying it isnt and that we've paid for less because of the restrictions.
Unfortunately, i for one feel that a large part of the cost of the retail version must be due to the telephone support which i will never use so ms are thus not offering a product which fits my needs.
Before you start arguing over this, telephone support is very expensive and people who buy retail and dont use it are subsidising those who do.

/sigh...

OEM XP does not come with no support, one of the conditions of the license is that the OEM supplies the support. As has already been explained several times OEM edition is designed to be sold by PC builders (Evesham, Mesh, HP, OCUK etc) pre installed on a PC, it's cheaper to them because they supply it specifically for one PC and they provide the technical support for the PC.

Several people have gone through the reasoning more than once, including the fact you should never have been able to buy OEM edition in the first place. You manage to buy it cheaply because of a loop hole in the license terms and then complain about the same license terms ... That just seems a little rude :)

The fact remains that you have a choice, including a version of the license that allows you to transfer from PC to PC as you want to do. You just don't want to pay for it.

If you are unhappy, would like to see competition and different levels of support and don't want to pay much then don't buy Windows, go for one of the good Linux distros.

Like it or not, I would have thought by now it had been explained fairly clearly and reasonably. I can only conlude from your continued ignoring of the facts and any kind of reasoned discussion that you sir are a troll :D
 
Borris said:
It should not be possible to buy a Win XP OEM license without hardware.

Not any more apparently..

If you check out a few online stores selling XP OEM, they state 'hardware purchase not required' - apparently the license has been updated recently by Microsoft.
 
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