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You only have to look at how many yellow hats/shirts there are at each race to realize how important he is to the series, like him or not. Will be interesting to see how he compares to Lorenzo next year!
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Soldato
He can't really though can he? Bradley has either a seat or a very big payout if he doesn't get the ride for 2013, and Dovi appears to be running out of places to go and to me, he would be the most likely of the two to be happy staying put on a quialty bike...Cal messed up by telling the world weeks ago he was off to Ducati for a factory seat...
Not really sure what I think about this,
On the one hand Rossi on a terrible bike was pretty painful to watch, but if Audi/Ducati had put their money behind it and actually developed it into a race winning bike it would've been pretty special, but I'm guessing Rossi/Burgess didn't really think they could/would do that (which they've got good reason for...)
But on the other hand I think Rossi is still capable of being up there with Lorenzo, and them battling together for the championship is gonna be great to see, I've warmed to Lorenzo so assuming the Yamaha is good comparatively next season then it'll be a good one for me
On the one hand Rossi on a terrible bike was pretty painful to watch, but if Audi/Ducati had put their money behind it and actually developed it into a race winning bike it would've been pretty special, but I'm guessing Rossi/Burgess didn't really think they could/would do that (which they've got good reason for...)
But on the other hand I think Rossi is still capable of being up there with Lorenzo, and them battling together for the championship is gonna be great to see, I've warmed to Lorenzo so assuming the Yamaha is good comparatively next season then it'll be a good one for me
Soldato
not really as they will not have the latest spec bikes like they did this year(they will get this years works yam)
it will be back to how it was in the 800's, so almost no chance of a podium.
and as said i cant see a french team having 2 brits
problem is he know he only have a few more years and has already wasted 2 years and cant really wait around and hope ducati sort the bikeNot really sure what I think about this,
On the one hand Rossi on a terrible bike was pretty painful to watch, but if Audi/Ducati had put their money behind it and actually developed it into a race winning bike it would've been pretty special, but I'm guessing Rossi/Burgess didn't really think they could/would do that (which they've got good reason for...)
But on the other hand I think Rossi is still capable of being up there with Lorenzo, and them battling together for the championship is gonna be great to see, I've warmed to Lorenzo so assuming the Yamaha is good comparatively next season then it'll be a good one for me
look at haydon he been with them 5 years and he is still waiting
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I think when they are no longer with the team, Burgess will lay into them about this. I was reading elsewhere that he had asked for new crankcases to alter engine position which would mean a redesign of the gearbox etc...that was something like five months ago iirc and they still haven't appeared...
People seem to forget Ducati is a relatively small Motorcycle manufacturer. They only sold 42,200 bikes up to the end of 2011. I know that may sound like a lot but the market for big bikes is in continual decline. The only market that is experiencing growth is scooters and Ducati don't make any. having said that Ducati sales are increasing and the company experienced record sales in the past year but Rossi will be paid quite a bit and I doubt it all comes from Philip Morris. lets us not also forget they also have another World Champion on the books and I doubt he's getting paid anything less than $1 million a season. Because of this they have to balance the books. Would the new crankcase have been successful? Possibly. Would it have been expensive and require dozens of other (expensive) parts to fit the revised engine layout including the gearbox? Almost certainly.
A lot of Ducati parts for the MotoGP project are made by outsourcers and other companies. They can't just ask for these things to be made in house and ask someone to do a couple of hours overtime or ask someone to stay back unpaid as a favour to the company to make a new crankcase.
A lot of Ducati parts for the MotoGP project are made by outsourcers and other companies. They can't just ask for these things to be made in house and ask someone to do a couple of hours overtime or ask someone to stay back unpaid as a favour to the company to make a new crankcase.
Soldato
Didn't Stoner complain about a total lack of front end feel and Ducati responded by giving him a slightly different top yoke or something?
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I think when they are no longer with the team, Burgess will lay into them about this. I was reading elsewhere that he had asked for new crankcases to alter engine position which would mean a redesign of the gearbox etc...that was something like five months ago iirc and they still haven't appeared...
the fact that they have changed everything but the engine and its made no difference, i cant understand why duc still think its not the engine thats making the problem, Rossi and burgess are no mugs yet everything they have tried that worked on the Honda and the yam just have no affect on the ducati.
stoner had enough of ducati not listening to him and now rossi, haydon has stayed but to be honest he had nowwhere to go anyway..
you read people saying well stoner won on the bike yet rossi cant so that makes stoner better, well thats total bull lol
yes stoner won on the duc but he also feel off a lot too, he had to ride it and just trust the front tyre would hold and at times its worked, rossi at his time in life wouldnt just trust the front tyre would stick and why should he have to ride like that and risk getting hurt
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Stoner's time at Ducati was a bag of very mixed fortunes, too many falls and a title, but he had people listening to him and doing what he wanted.
Rossi and Burgess can change pretty much any bike out there, which has been proven by turning the Yamaha from a back runner to title winner with virtually no testing time, so obviously some bright spark at Ducati simply isn't listening to them, and being such a small manufacturer where it's very difficult to get things custom built in a very short time frame... I feel for Rossi because he must be very disheartened, coming to the latter stages of his glorious career and failing to win a race in two years... If he were to hold on for another year it could be a waste or Audi/Vw/Ducati could listen to him and he could turn Ducati around! it really is a tough one!
For me, it's shame to go back to Yamaha, with the bad blood between him and Lorenzo, and the lack of Davide Brivio over at Yamaha could be a problem, Plus two years running mid-field could let the self doubt settle in and he loses the edge...
I hope Rossi bounces back like he always does.
I think now though Motogp needs to think of a life without him, because when he hangs up his helmet and gloves, the viewers will also run for the hills.
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thing is ducati didn't listen to stoner or stoner cant develop a bike , because the ducati got worse as the years went on with stoner he ended up trying to ride round the problem which is why he fell off so much..
Rossi is riding as hard as the bike lets him as is shown when its wet he is right up at the front, so i don't see him having a problem going back to the yam..
just the feeling of having a bike that lets him ride the way he likes to will rise his spirits no end
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I've been away for a couple of days. Just fyi this is the press release text:
Soldato
now its Dovi linked with the ducati ride lol, really cant see it working for him, he is a smooth rider
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182819/1/dovizioso_in_line_for_ducati_ride.html
sadly it looks like cal has been offered a duc ride in the Junior team ducati want to set up, better off staying were he is if that the case..
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...ugust/aug1312-tech-3-waiting-on-dovi-and-cal/
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182819/1/dovizioso_in_line_for_ducati_ride.html
sadly it looks like cal has been offered a duc ride in the Junior team ducati want to set up, better off staying were he is if that the case..
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...ugust/aug1312-tech-3-waiting-on-dovi-and-cal/
Soldato
Its no good...we need Suzuki, Kawasaki and BMW to field bikes again. You can't help but worry about the career of any rider slinging a leg over a ducati...
Soldato
suzuki plan to be back in 2014 with a few rides in 2013 as tests.
Kawasaki wont be back anytime soon, they cant afford to run both WSBK and motogp..
BMW haven't been in the modern GP's yet and are planing to have a bike in 2014 if the rumours are true with spies.
Honda are planing a work rep bike in 2015 then we can get rid of these crap CRT bikes
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He's kind of right.
Stoner pushed the Ducati to the limit, look at the amount of front end washouts he had.
Rossi, doesn't appear to be pushing as hard.
Stoner pushed the Ducati to the limit, look at the amount of front end washouts he had.
Rossi, doesn't appear to be pushing as hard.
Soldato
because he's older and wiser, stoner was young and didn't know any better
now he's had a nice bike like the Honda I'm sure the moaner wouldn't want to push the ducati as hard also.
he seems to forget he left them for a better bike also and he was tired of not knowing from race to race if he would win or bin and he didn't know what to change to sort it out
roll on the end of the season when he will be gone, yes a good rider but what a moaner
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Ah Stacey, I wont be that sad when you go. Good rider yes with so much potential but what benefit do comments like this have. Is it him saying "I told you so"... wow well done.
Casey knew the problems the bike had and tried to ride around it while Ducati said they would develop the bike. I guess after so many years of development with no real solution to the bikes problems he just gave up and when Honda came knocking it wasn't difficult to move on. Yes he can be a bit of a moaner but he's also a very, very good rider. When he leaves there's going to be no one to challenge Yamaha next year and its going to be a walkovers. I wouldn't be surprised for Yamaha to have both riders on the podium in every race they finish and to completely steamroll the manufacturers championship.
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You can't really compare the results from one season to another in a stoner vs rossi match. As the duc is massively diffenrent, but also so are the other bikes around them.
You can however compare there competitiveness with ducati against there team mates, and Stone always massively out scored his team mates, whereas Rossi hasn't managed to do that (I've not checked this statement, but its what i remember). This could has others have pointed out been because Rossi is unwilling to push or maybe he's just lost his confidence in his own ability. Personally i think he's going to struggle to overcome Lorenzo next year. I wouldn't bet against him though.
I'd never say Stoner is better than Rossi, But people need to give Stoner more credit for what he did on the Ducati.
I also think in some case people give too much credit to Rossi, the riders he was competing against for some of his titles were not in the same class as Stoner and Lorenzo. and all but maybe 2 or 3 seasons (upto his move to Ducati) he probably had the best equipment and the best team.
You can however compare there competitiveness with ducati against there team mates, and Stone always massively out scored his team mates, whereas Rossi hasn't managed to do that (I've not checked this statement, but its what i remember). This could has others have pointed out been because Rossi is unwilling to push or maybe he's just lost his confidence in his own ability. Personally i think he's going to struggle to overcome Lorenzo next year. I wouldn't bet against him though.
I'd never say Stoner is better than Rossi, But people need to give Stoner more credit for what he did on the Ducati.
I also think in some case people give too much credit to Rossi, the riders he was competing against for some of his titles were not in the same class as Stoner and Lorenzo. and all but maybe 2 or 3 seasons (upto his move to Ducati) he probably had the best equipment and the best team.