Motorsport Off Topic Thread

Skeeter said:
I believe it's part of the FOM agreement, presumably missing more than 3 means your not entitled to the equal share of TV money and/or your prize money. It could be an FIA Sporting Regulation too though.

But say they are forced to attend every race, everyone would just turn up and then not run, or deliberately fail to qualify. Even if you tried to mandate some sort of "try your hardest or else" rule, everyone just pulls in on the first lap with "technical problems".

At the end of the day the drive to compete for any team is the money. Removing that removes the drive to compete.
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I totally get where you are coming from - but once the team is there for quali, I wonder exactly how much it actually costs to race each car (after all , all their contracts have to pay for every race, ie tyres/fuel etc, otherwise it would be obvious to the FIA / FOM that they were planning on not attending/racing)

Totally agree though equal share wont work, and Ive been annoyed with Ferrari's one off payment for years

Remember though even now McLaren and Force India (and to a lesser extent even Ferrari) are fighting over 5th and 6th this near to the end of the season. Not sure what the prize differential is but its good to see the fight continuing (Ferrari probably are safe, but considering how shocking McLaren have been for several races this year, its still pretty close allowing for double points.....Im presuming its double for WCC as well as WDC)

howler said:
But having the teams driven by sponsor money would force them to turn up. Their sponsors won't pay if they don't get TV coverage

The better you do the bigger and better your sponsors are
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Doesn't stop the team "faking" a safety /fault 1 lap into the race however - but its a good point. don't recall seeing any figures how much it costs a team (once they are at a location) to actually complete the race which we would have to know to quantify this
 
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Spunkey said:
I agree, an equal share wouldn't work. However I believe the delta between the most/least given out should be much lower than it currently is. If this source is to be believed, the 10th placed team gets a little more than 1/5th of the top team.

Don't event get me started on Ferraris' "We're Ferrari so we deserve more" payment.
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Everywhere is an educated guess as the details of the contracts are confidential. I've seen some places trying to claim that Ferrari's extra payment is 10% of the total prize fund!

I don't think the split is too bad. How much does the 10th placed person at Wimbledon get? I think the 10th place cutoff is a bit odd though. You could get 2 or 3 teams (in a full grid) not getting anything, which seems unfair.

However through out all of this I've maintaned that we are focusing on the wrong thing. Giving teams more money is a temporary fix at best, what really needs to be done is reducing the cost of competing. Obviously this is much more difficult and complicated, hence why simply writing bigger cheques is the current focus of attention.
 
There's a half hour programme called 'Inside Grand Prix' on Motors TV at 12.10am tonight for anyone interested. Description reads:

Brazil GP. A behind the scenes look at Formula One featurning interviews with drivers and team personnel and state of the art graphics previewing each race a week before the event.
 
Its a weekly show, they preview every race. It's all CGI and testing footage as it's unofficial so FOM won't let them use any proper footage.

Its pretty pants tbh. The only saving for it was they predicted Hamilton going to Mercedes months before even EJ started ranting about it.
 
Found this fascinating, breakdown of how the money in F1 is shared.

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Figures aren't exact of course, but will be close.
Source here.
 
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So from looking at that I have the following observations:

* Toro Rosso must get a lot of help from their big brother or they are just run really well!
* I'm surprised Marussia didn't go under sooner from that deal! and I can see why they were so happy about their point!!!
* 90 million for being Ferrari is ridiculous
* Lotus should be doing better

£680 million for the shareholders!?! Seems quite a lot... Still, I guess its that way with everything money related.
 
WTF is historical payments, and why only Williams and Mercedes from it? Surely Mercedes have only been in F1 for 4 years, and before that not since the 50s, whereas Sauber has been in F1 for 20 years.
Also, 0.16% is 28.8M which is approx 30M, but how do you then split 30M into 2 and end with 30M going to each of two teams :confused: surely historical payments should either be 0.32% (60M) or Merc and Williams only get 15M each from it?
 
The original image contained a couple of errors. It's been corrected a couple of times if you follow the link through to the source.
 
Shimmy said:
Mercedes are getting historical payments based on engine supply I imagine.
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I thought it was because they were Jordan before that etc etc (or was that Force India)

Merc were Brawn and before that BAR (and I cant remember if BAR were a brand new team or resurected?)

I was under the impression this was the basis of "historical payments" anyway

edit - not sure why RBR get such a huge amount of the bonus fund either (and Ferrari can hardly be described as "missing out" here with their one off payment, so dont feel sorry for them at all - but McLaren are hard done by here imo). Historical payments should be added in here and split evenly between Merc, Williams, McLaren, RBR, and Ferrari (latter only if strictly necessary lol)
 
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Its all speculation as the details are confidential. That's the first time I've seen any claim that the Ferrari bonus and the additional bonuses come from the FOM side of the pot
 
FrankJH said:
not sure why RBR get such a huge amount of the bonus fund either
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Payments this year are based on championship positions last year. Hence RBR getting the most and Mercedes not getting any.

And Mercedes were BAR who were Tyrell. But the Historical payments are just like the Ferrari payment, and just down to how good each team is in negotiating their own terms.
 
Skeeter said:
Payments this year are based on championship positions last year. Hence RBR getting the most and Mercedes not getting any.

And Mercedes were BAR who were Tyrell. But the Historical payments are just like the Ferrari payment, and just down to how good each team is in negotiating their own terms.
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So if the Bonus fund is made up from the positions last year why are Ferrari earning less than McLaren?

Thank you for reminding me about Tyrell, I thought BAR came from some other team just couldn't remember where
 
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