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Skeeter said:
I can see we are in the same boat JRS when it comes to our views on Symonds and Briatore, but I would be interested to know your views on Alonsos involvement?
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Two ways to look at it aren't there? Either he had no knowledge, and therefore is a useless waste of space who knows nothing about what's going on around him....or he knew exactly what was going on, and is a cheating, whinging, dago ****-bag.
 
JRS said:
Two ways to look at it aren't there? Either he had no knowledge, and therefore is a useless waste of space who knows nothing about what's going on around him....or he knew exactly what was going on, and is a cheating, whinging, dago ****-bag.
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Same again. I simply cannot see any way that he wouldn't have questioned the team putting him on a light fuel load and making him stop early, so he would have had to know what was going on.

He is either a cheat, or an idiot.
 
Duke said:
I would guess the team wanted him to win, to try and get him to stay, so is a chance he didn't know.

/shrug
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This is the argument they used.

However, if you are 2 times World Champion, and one of the best drivers on the grid, and your team tell you they are putting you on a bizzar strategy, are you not going to want to know why?

At that time, starting low down the grid meant starting heavy. Going with a light stategy to try to overtake people was off the wall on its own, but at a street track, it was crazy.

Whilst he may not have known the details of what was going to happen, he definitely knew something was happening. And when the SC came out and he saw Piquet in the wall, he would have put 2 and 2 together.
 
Skeeter said:
This is the argument they used.

However, if you are 2 times World Champion, and one of the best drivers on the grid, and your team tell you they are putting you on a bizzar strategy, are you not going to want to know why?

At that time, starting low down the grid meant starting heavy. Going with a light stategy to try to overtake people was off the wall on its own, but at a street track, it was crazy.

Whilst he may not have known the details of what was going to happen, he definitely knew something was happening. And when the SC came out and he saw Piquet in the wall, he would have put 2 and 2 together.
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Not one person involved in it has said Alonso knew.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/...-alonso-in-the-clear-on-singapore-crash-plot/

But carry on.....
 
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As was everyone oblivious to what happened till Nelson squeeled you mean? But yeah Alonso is so good he should have realised before everyone else.
 
Spunkey said:
He'd already proved it was the latter with his actions in Stepney-gate.
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I reckon he knew too, the same way many more people at Mclaren knew what was going on with the transfer of information from Ferrari.

I would say that was a bigger cover up than the Alonso/Piquet incident.

The rot clearly went so far into Mclaren they didn't dare punish even Pedro who had just cost the company many millions and was no more than a contractor. Hell he even got to keep his job for a while. That to me suggests the rot was deep at mclaren.
 
I don't think its just McLaren though. Formula 1 is not the squeeky clean good sportsman filled utopia that they try and portray. Dodgy stuff goes on all the time, some of it subtle (Hondas second fuel tank), some of it less so (Spygate) and some of it stupid (crashgate). At the end of the day though, its all bending or breaking the rules to try to get an advantage in a sport where the difference between winning and loosing is tiny.

And hey, it certainly gives us lot plenty to talk about :)
 
As the McLaren issue has arisen...

Why was Ferrari not investigated for the comments that certain team members made that the information flow was not one way? ;)
 
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