Motorsport Off Topic Thread

FrankJH said:
Sounds like you are splitting hairs to be honest, LH was asking how to drive the car also just in different respects
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That LH was asking for driver coaching when it was allowed makes no difference. My point is still that in my opinion some drivers appear to benefit from it more then others and it takes away from the better natural ability and feel that some of the drivers have over others.

Driver coaching during live sessions should not be allowed as personally I want to see the drivers with the best ability do well, not those that can robotically adjust for there inadequacies when told about them.
 
kaiowas said:
I've not seen anything about any rule changes in this area although the issue was raised after Lewis took his 7 billion place penalty and filled a warehouse with spare engines at Spa. Has anyone got any detail that they can link me to?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37501676

BBC said:
The move was one of several announced following Wednesday's meeting of the FIA World Council, which also revealed a provisional 2017 calendar that closely echoes this year's record 21-race season.
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Perez linked to Haas as Force India deadline looms

A switch to the Haas F1 team for 2017 has emerged as a serious option for Sergio Perez if he is unable to sort out a deal to remain at Force India by next week’s Japanese Grand Prix, sources have suggested.
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Seems the Perez decision still isn't so close to being decided, I guess Haas would be the best choice for a year if Ferrari is the goal for when Raikkonen leaves.
 
FrankJH said:
That was the whole point of my post - he was asking when it WASNT allowed and the engineer in the pits couldnt (wasnt allowed to) advise him
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What you are referring to and what I am talking about are 2 completely different things.

Fixing a fault on a car <> driver coaching at all, not even closely.

Every driver should be given information like this as the cars are very complex now and if a simple switch flick means we get better on track action (as we would have in Baku) then I am all for it.

What I am against is drivers being told when, where, and how to drive the car.
 
Syla5 said:
What you are referring to and what I am talking about are 2 completely different things.

Fixing a fault on a car <> driver coaching at all, not even closely.

Every driver should be given information like this as the cars are very complex now and if a simple switch flick means we get better on track action (as we would have in Baku) then I am all for it.

What I am against is drivers being told when, where, and how to drive the car.
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Not at all - its the drivers job to know how to use the wheel options, however complex they get
 
FrankJH you seem to not be understanding what I am talking about regarding my thoughts on what constitutes driver coaching.

Specifically the elements that were banned before the radio ban became so ridiculous that they had to over turn it in full. The points regarding "brake 10 yards later at turn 4", "get on the power 15 yards earlier at turn 6", "tighten your apex entry at turn 11", these are driver coaching.

Driver coaching is telling a driver how to drive. Telling a driver how to fix a fault on the car is not driver coaching.

Very different topics of conversation.

If you want to disagree with me that you feel that driver coaching and fault fixing are the same thing then fine we will agree to disagree. In the context of my posts on this matter please remember when I reference driver coaching I specifically mean as I have laid out above.

Going back to my first post on the matter, I feel Rosberg has shown rises in form/performance during periods where driver coaching (as per my view of what constitutes driver coaching) is allowed vs periods where it is not allowed. I feel this type of driver coaching should have remained banned as it does take away the natural talent gap between drivers which provides good racing.
 
I must admit I like the radio now they've reversed the rules but the "don't forget mix 6 and diff +2" messages boil my blood.
 
Gordon Shedden wins the BTCC title, so pleased for him. Met him earlier in the year and he's such a nice bloke. Felt a bit sorry for Matt Neal but at least one of the Hondas won :)
 
A great final trio of races.. a good season overall. Agree with el_dazza thinking the Scoobs will be quick next season.
 
Was at Brands today - great racing in almost all the support races, as well as stunning drives from Turkington to win races 1 & 2. I got the impression Tordoff didn't want the win as much, and it really showed in race 3 with a great move from Flash.

Will say though that I was hoping that Neal didn't get the title - but what happened to him was definitely not what I was after, so hope he makes a speedy recovery.

It's the one thing letting the BTCC down for me a bit. Some drivers always (well, almost) overtake cleanly - e.g. Turkington - whilst others - e.g. Neal - seemingly use the punt 'n' shunt far too much. I guess Gow doesn't want to mess with any aspect of it, but the driving standards this year, particularly towards the back, were really poor.
 
Marvin said:
It's the one thing letting the BTCC down for me a bit. Some drivers always (well, almost) overtake cleanly - e.g. Turkington - whilst others - e.g. Neal - seemingly use the punt 'n' shunt far too much. I guess Gow doesn't want to mess with any aspect of it, but the driving standards this year, particularly towards the back, were really poor.
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This season I found the two MG drivers, Sutton and Cook, were especially bad for it, much worse than the usual suspects. Not that Sutton was particularly to blame for Matt Neal's crash, which was mainly just a meeting of two cars in one place after Neal's problem.

It was interesting to see how much cleaner Plato was this year too, being in a rear-wheel drive car he knew he'd be turned around himself if he started doing his usual dirty tactics.
 
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