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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-has-mercedes-broken-the-1000bhp-barrier-829341/

The magic button

Estimates suggest that this 'magic button' boost for qualifying – which changes the mapping of the engine – is worth around 80bhp.

We know from the Belgian Grand Prix that Mercedes customer Williams was left three-tenths of a second down when neither Felipe Massa nor Valtteri Bottas could use this qualifying setting on Saturday afternoon.

Even using the 980bhp figure, which includes the 160bhp that comes from energy recovery from the MGU-H and MGU-K, it means the internal combustion engine is producing around 820 bhp.
 
It's not just that they'd remove the wheel.. they'd remove it, and then in three years they'll introduce us to the Apple Steering Circle, which is really just a wheel but they'll claim they invented it.

Like this?

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Would love to see someone try and tackle Mirabeau with that! :D
 
Interesting article about the life of an F1 mechanic on the BBC.

Divorce, fire & 22 hour days... - BBC

I knew it was gruelling but I'd imagine you'd want to be really driven (no pun intended) to want to do it for what is a fairly modest salary, given the weekly working hours. It appears there aren't as many perks as you'd hope given the jet set life.

Thats a really interesting article, although I doubt majority of the teams pay as low as the suggested £30,000pa for a mechanic (maybe a couple of the teams right at the back).

Can imagine its really tough for 9-10 months a year, at least they now get a 2 week summer break.

Maybe Im going back too far, but always thought some of the mechanics / pit stop crew (the article appears to refer to them as the same) had other jobs within the team ?
 
I believe they do - the pit stop crew are the mechanics at the track, and moreover will hold a function at the factory/base as well during the winter down time.

Would be interesting to get the insight of some of our resident F1 employees.
 
Am I the only one who is drawing a connection between the reversal of the radio ban in F1 and the improvement in form of Nico Rosberg? We saw similar as the coaching got more and more hands on before his form went from strength to strength. Then the ban got brought in and he slumped clearly. Then the ban was over turned again this year and his form is on the rise again. To me this is a perfect example of why the ban was a good thing, it went a little to far but could have been scaled back to appropriate levels.

I personally am not a fan of driver coaching and that is the element where the driver used to make the difference but the gap can be closed by such open radio and that's a shame.

Maybe I am just reading to much in to this.
 
Am I the only one who is drawing a connection between the reversal of the radio ban in F1 and the improvement in form of Nico Rosberg? We saw similar as the coaching got more and more hands on before his form went from strength to strength. Then the ban got brought in and he slumped clearly. Then the ban was over turned again this year and his form is on the rise again. To me this is a perfect example of why the ban was a good thing, it went a little to far but could have been scaled back to appropriate levels.

I personally am not a fan of driver coaching and that is the element where the driver used to make the difference but the gap can be closed by such open radio and that's a shame.

Maybe I am just reading to much in to this.

It's as much to do with Hamilton ballsing things up and having little niggles as it is Rosberg having an upturn in form.

Rosberg's form has either been excellent or average across his Mercedes career, especially so since the new engine rules when they suddenly became title favourites. He blows hot and cold for months at a time. It's nothing new.
 
Good notice actually.

But I've now accepted fate and have conceded that Nico is going to win this WDC. Don't see Lewis matching him now
Agree with you on this, much as I detest Rosberg, he's simply doing a better job than Lewis and therefore you can't really take that away from him.
 
Am I the only one who is drawing a connection between the reversal of the radio ban in F1 and the improvement in form of Nico Rosberg? We saw similar as the coaching got more and more hands on before his form went from strength to strength. Then the ban got brought in and he slumped clearly. Then the ban was over turned again this year and his form is on the rise again. To me this is a perfect example of why the ban was a good thing, it went a little to far but could have been scaled back to appropriate levels.

I personally am not a fan of driver coaching and that is the element where the driver used to make the difference but the gap can be closed by such open radio and that's a shame.

Maybe I am just reading to much in to this.

to be fair Ive heard Hamilton asking questions about settings on the wheel mid race that the engineer cant tell him now because of the rules...... (Im not picking LH out, Im sure it happens to others also)
 
http://www.mobil1thegrid.com/article/step-step-mclaren-hondas-progress-2016/

In a race, the Honda engine currently uses too much fuel relative to its rivals, who have applied highly advanced lean burn combustion solutions, which allows the limited fuel to produce maximum horsepower throughout the race.

With a conventional combustion set up, the Honda cannot match this from good engineering alone, so a step change is required in the combustion design. For Ferrari and Mercedes, this is a process known as pre-chamber ignition, whereby a small chamber is formed inside the cylinder head between the spark plug and the main combustion chamber. This gets filled with a rich fuel mixture. The main combustion chamber gets filled with only a very weak fuel air mix, which would be hard to ignite with a conventional spark plug. When the spark plug ignites the fuel in the pre-chamber, the resulting flame vents through small holes into the main combustion chamber, which then burns the weak fuel mix easily. This creates a long power stroke, despite the largely weak fuel mix.

Such technology requires a very different cylinder head architecture, along with special fuel injectors, spark plugs and – critically – special fuel, to be able to react to the unusual combustion process.

Honda have earmarked development tokens to be spent in Malaysia to allow a big upgrade to the engine. With the turbo, MGU and inlet system all now optimal, it’s expected that a lean burn technology will be the result of this development. This will ultimately bring Honda closer into line with its rivals, allowing them to push the engine for maximum power throughout the race, rather than having to curb its performance to manage the fuel available. This could be the key that unlocks the McLaren-Honda’s potential.
 
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That has brought up a question with regards how the upgrade/token system is implemented.

Option 1) The engine design engineer is sitting doing nothing. The team decide they need to improve the combustion efficiency, so say "we are going to use 1 token on combustion". At this point the design engineer starts creating designs for new things, and when they have something that works, it gets put on the car.

Option 2) The design engineers are constantly designing and redesigning the parts of the engine, and when they come up with something that works, the team then say "We have a new design, so we are spending a token to put it in the car".

So which option is actually occurring in all these cases of changes and tokens?

surely option 1 is not guaranteed to produce results, as it is only after they decide to spend a token that they find out if they can do something.
On the other hand option 2 is guaranteed to produce results, but the constant design work is surely expensive and goes against the whole cost-cutting exercise.
 
to be fair Ive heard Hamilton asking questions about settings on the wheel mid race that the engineer cant tell him now because of the rules...... (Im not picking LH out, Im sure it happens to others also)

This was before the radio ban was reversed, and was a direct result of the radio ban. However we saw it before, rosberg used to be fed a lot more information on how to driver better, at least that was how it came across from what us peons were drip fed by FOM.

It could be a completely moot point, but it does feel that some of the natural driver skill and feel is taken away when you can be told exactly where to gain time by braking later etc, which to my knowledge is now allowed again.
 
Was just reading an article on Pitpass about Alonso taking a new engine and a penalty as a result of Honda spending some tokens and saw this comment:

The Spaniard will therefore use a new ICE (internal combustion engine), turbocharger, MGU-H and control electronics this weekend, which, while putting him at the back of the grid, should add to his stockpile - a move that will be outlawed next season - and get him to the end of the season.

I've not seen anything about any rule changes in this area although the issue was raised after Lewis took his 7 billion place penalty and filled a warehouse with spare engines at Spa. Has anyone got any detail that they can link me to?
 
It could be a completely moot point, but it does feel that some of the natural driver skill and feel is taken away when you can be told exactly where to gain time by braking later etc, which to my knowledge is now allowed again.

Sounds like you are splitting hairs to be honest, LH was asking how to drive the car also just in different respects

I've not seen anything about any rule changes in this area although the issue was raised after Lewis took his 7 billion place penalty and filled a warehouse with spare engines at Spa. Has anyone got any detail that they can link me to?

Was mentioned on the BBC yesterday referring to LH's "stockpiling" (as they called it) parts that were not intended for the race weekend he was currently attending.
 
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