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He won’t be in front by the end of year, and even winning a race last year he wasn’t despite the head start he had when Alonso was easing himself back in and getting used to F1 again. Ocon just isn’t a top driver, Alonso despite us age still is.

Looks like the Piastri issue might go to a real legal court rather than one these clown FIA or F1 CRB which is good as it’s more likely to yield a proper result And put an end to the matter.
 
Good old Otmar. Just let him go if he doesn't want to be in the team.

Asked if he would still be at Aston Martin had the circumstances not changed, Szafnauer said: “I had a contract. So I had no reason to leave." - after giving Aston Martin no notice he was switching to Alpine
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Mr Jack said:
Aren't teams and drivers obliged to take their disputes to the CRB?
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I thought that is just for registering contracts to make sure there is no conflict.
Either way it does't matter much, as regardless of what F1 says or requests teams to do, it cannot prevent them (although it tries very hard since it can't) from using real courts of law. If using the high court breaks a term that the team has with F1, one could argue that it is an unfair term.
 
englishpremier said:
I thought that is just for registering contracts to make sure there is no conflict.
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I can't find a proper website for them, but Wikipedia says "The FIA Contract Recognition Board (CRB) is a body set up by motorsports governing body, the FIA, to determine the legality of driver contracts and to settle disputes between Formula One teams over such contracts" (emphasis mine)

Either way it does't matter much, as regardless of what F1 says or requests teams to do, it cannot prevent them (although it tries very hard) from using real courts of law.
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It can't stop them going to the court but as I understand it, a team that does not follow their contractual agreement to respect the dispute procedures of the sport can (and probably will) be kicked out.
 
Mr Jack said:
It can't stop them going to the court but as I understand it, a team that does not follow their contractual agreement to respect the dispute procedures of the sport can (and probably will) be kicked out.
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Sure but then they could just go court and get reinstated. A bit like Flavio did.

It will be interesting to see how it develops. I expect Alpine to go the the CRB, not like the result, threaten with bringing an action in the high court, then eventually settling before any proceedings.
 
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englishpremier said:
Sure but then they could just go court and get reinstated. A bit like Flavio did.
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They could try that, I don't know whether they'd succeed or not but even if they did then they'd burn a lot of political capital and good will within the sport. I can't see it worth going through all that just to get a driver who doesn't want to drive for you for about a year until his contract lapses and he leaves anyway.

It will be interesting to see how it develops. I expect Alpine to go the the CRB, no like the result, threaten with bringing an action in the high court, then eventually settling before any proceedings.
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I expect if the CRB rule against them then there will be no further action if it even goes that far. It rather depends whether they have any actual standing here or not. At the moment it's all a bit unclear but the change in wording from Alpine in the most recent statements suggests to me that they know they have no good legal claim on Piastri.

We'll find out eventually :)
 
Mr Jack said:
We'll find out eventually :)
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Without any races we're desperate for a bit of entertainment here! :(:p

I'm beginning to see Piastri's side of the story but I still think it was rather aggressive/foolish to come out with his statement in the way that he did. To any observer/layman he still doesn't have a seat lined up for next year, so to completely burn the bridge to a team that has supported you up until that point, is rather strong.
 
Scam said:
Without any races we're desperate for a bit of entertainment here! :(:p

I'm beginning to see Piastri's side of the story but I still think it was rather aggressive/foolish to come out with his statement in the way that he did. To any observer/layman he still doesn't have a seat lined up for next year, so to completely burn the bridge to a team that has supported you up until that point, is rather strong.
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It would be foolish if he didn't have a seat for next year. Now, like most drivers, i would think he is fairly intelligent. So the assumption has to be that he knows full well he has a seat for next year, signed sealed and delivered.
 
I do think it's a shame he's gone elsewhere.
But I can't really blame him. Alpine were waiting for alonso before they allowed piastri a seat. Limbo is never nice.

Disappointed with alonso to be fair. But maybe he only reacted when vettel left.

There's so much behind closed doors we will never know it's hard to piece together.


My ideal scenario as an alpine supporter would have been alonso and piastri.
Unfortunately its ended up as Ocon and "who knows" .

I could never understand why they signed Ocon for so long. I bet Ocon jumped at that offer.

I certainly don't want riccardo. Just based on performance. But he was OK at Renault while there. And gasley? Hard to know. He's been a bit invisible this year.


But yeah. Mclaren have potentially a great line up, 2 top tier drivers, if piastri is as good as hoped. And alpine have 2 second tier drivers
 
Slam62 said:
Yeah, alpine were playing silly buggers with both of them it seems and they weren't amused.
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Alonso wanted a two year fixed deal, Alpine wanted a 1+1 option in case Oscar, who was apparently going to Williams, lit up the grid. Alonso heard Vettel was retiring, hot-footed it to Papa Stroll who offered a two year deal right away.
 
Slam62 said:
Yeah, alpine were playing silly buggers with both of them it seems and they weren't amused.
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I don't think it's fair to say Alpine were playing silly buggers with Alonso, they already took a big risk bringing him back, and are paying him huge money to be there. An offer keeping him on the grid until he's 42 with an option to 43 is a good and fair deal. Alonso can want more but Alpine weren't being unreasonable.

Piastri though was right to think that Alpine weren't playing him with a straight bat. Their decisions over Alonso and Ocon's contracts clearly showed that they were not figuring him into their plans in the way he justifiably believes he deserved.
 
More I hear the more this is all alpines fault.

Its like trying to date two girls.

One you really want. And a back up.
But the one you really want keeps stringing you along. So you string along the back up.

Eventually back up gets bored. At same time preferred choice finds a better guy.

Left with nothing
 
413x said:
More I hear the more this is all alpines fault.

Its like trying to date two girls.

One you really want. And a back up.
But the one you really want keeps stringing you along. So you string along the back up.

Eventually back up gets bored. At same time preferred choice finds a better guy.

Left with nothing
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That's actually perfect. Lol

Just goes to show even if you are an amazing talent you still need to reach the top just at the right time or it can get messy.
 
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