I respect that, but a number of users in here clearly would not, if it was another TP, it would be a different/less of a story to them.
Yeah I have witnessed the same and people move on and the same person in "trouble" continues on with their role with no problem.
Fooling around? I think that shipped sailed, the woman was clearly enjoying the benefits of the forbidden relationship until her moral compass got re-aligned and she started to feel bad.
Unfortunately though working for a paper that has had numerous convictions for publishing lies, thus not doing his reputation any good.
The BBC has said the comments were verified after Jos spoke with them directly too (I agree about your sentiment with the newspaper though):
I think that article might have been updated after my first post. There has though, and for sometime, politics in play between Horner, Verstappen Snr and Marko. Thus it is of no surprise that Jos could be using this current situation to his advantage. He has denied leaking this, yet to be verified, messages, yet he can mouth off to a newspaper..The BBC has said the comments were verified after Jos spoke with them directly too (I agree about your sentiment with the newspaper though):
Christian Horner: Jos Verstappen says controversy 'driving team apart'
The controversy surrounding Red Bull boss Christian Horner is "driving people apart", says the father of world champion Max Verstappen.www.bbc.co.uk
I feel like he would've been far better off saying, fair enough, I made a mistake and I'm going to do better next time. Instead they've all just put their fingers in their ears. Even his wife!
There's only one sensible way to resolve it that would satisfy everyone, Horner vs Jos cage fight.Such a difficult story to take someones side when you think both of them are total *****
Needs resolving soon though or this is just going to fester on and on in the background and though it won't affect this seasons outcome could well change the course of future ones if Max starts looking elsewhere etc.
I think when all is said and done Horner isn't going to make it out of this with his job in tact.
Such a difficult story to take someones side when you think both of them are total *****
Needs resolving soon though or this is just going to fester on and on in the background and though it won't affect this seasons outcome could well change the course of future ones if Max starts looking elsewhere etc.
I think when all is said and done Horner isn't going to make it out of this with his job in tact.
Well Jos has allegedly had a few sparring sessions with various partners over the years maybe Geri can get in there with him
I'd give her more of a shot than Horner to be honest!I’d hope that the fact nothing is happening right now is because the FIA and big stakeholders outside of RB are deciding on how to push him. They’re big institutions- it will take a few days to get their act together. Then it’ll probably be a private push. If that doesn’t work it’ll have to be public statement.
I dont think you need to include the word “allegedly” in that sentence
That's practically gaslighting!Sounds like stirring the pot for the sake of it. As if Mercedes aren’t going to lose enough fans from Lewis leaving! Max joining would be the end lol
And I think Max and Jos are arrogant enough to think that (a) if they want to get rid of Horner they can and (b) they’ll still win if he (and Newey?) leaves. 100% agree but unfortunately there’s a vocal minority on here that will shout you down for speaking such logic. Oh and you forgot about Jos getting fighty with his girlfriend, and wife, and Marko calling Lewis the little **** boy.
Firstly many are assuming that the person making the complaint is actually a victim and that Horner is the perpetrator. There is no real evidence we have access to that supports either argument but a 'tiny vocal minority' of narrow minded individuals in this thread has always had Horner down as the bad guy, something they've often stated without any evidence other than saying unsubstantiated stuff like 'Red Bull is a toxic team'. Or to judge Horner on his previous marriage whithout a single idea what brought about the break up of that relationship. Thus any opinion they have of this saga is null and void because of complete subjective bias. Perhaps they live a life out of an episode of East Enders, I don't know, but that attitude is very insular and fairly illiterate.I don't really have any strong feelings about RB and it's employees but like others such as Malt Vinegar, I do have pretty good grasp of how corporate ethics, culture and practices work. What's interesting is to see in threads like this how each side bends aspects to their preferential narrative, in some cases getting to the point of bordering on political ridiculousness the government would be proud of.
For instance, if you would believe the veracity of the leaked 'evidence' some example commentary in here of casting judgement on the alleged victim effectively saying it "takes two to tango" but not understanding that a person is entitled to change their mind, especially as consequences play out, and that to subsequently expect not to be repeatedly sexually-harassed after the fact isn't particularly unreasonable.
I do hope it gets resolved, but RB's corporate culture leaves a lot to be desired. For instance, it was only about 6 months ago, when Helmut Marko made disparaging comments about Sergio Perez's form was due to his ethnicity, and then RB implied they couldn't do any more about it because he isn't directly employed by RB, he's a consultant. Guess what lads, you can still sack consultants and at the very least, not extend/renew the engagement
This isn't anti-RB, it's calling it how it is. How your leadership team act, sets the tone for the whole company. Employees have mothers, sisters and daughters, and if the accusations are true and nothing is done, a lot of people will be questioning what they are part of.
Oh no that's a shame....
Sources: Verstappen's dad to skip Saudi GP
Max Verstappen's father, Jos, will not attend the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix following comments he made about under-fire Red Bull boss Christian Horner, sources have told ESPN.www.espn.com
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