Soldato
You know something that no one else does?
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You know something that no one else does?
Yes. How to be a good judge of character. Clearly something a lot of people these days severely lack.
How do you know that? If you can use your powers of endless certainty to get me the lottery numbers, that would be great.
Soldato
So you have you met and know both of them. Want to tell us what she's like?
We don't even know if this is connected to Horner's investigation. She very well might be in the right in that case but that doesn't mean she's not done something else.
It doesn't require special powers. They aren't fake because Horner and RB haven't said they are. If they were just completely fabricated, then they would obviously say so.
Ay? I'm talking about his latest comments to the media playing the victim and complaining about intrusions on his family and wanting to draw a line under it etc.
An adulterer complaining about how getting caught is hurting his family is laughable.
Soldato
RB haters will hate RB no matter what.
Caporegime
The problem is that Red Bull has done absolutely nothing to convince people that the investigation was credible; especially now the leaked messages are out there and we know Horner has been lying through his teeth.
Clearly? No, as with the rest of this, nothing is clear about this. So instead of this seeming like Red Bull are responding with good grounds it has the whiff of punishing the whistleblower about it. Of course, it may be that they have good grounds - as always, through this ugly fracas, we lack the information to make an informed judgement - but since they've bungled the handling of this so comprehensively they've lost the assumption of good faith.
Soldato
You should have linked to an article as your post wasn't following thread discussion.
Soldato
1. They don't need to
2. Nobody and I mean NOBODY has confirmed the 'leaks' are genuine. The fact that no press have shown the leaks says that with all the sources available to them they have not been able to verify them.
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Caporegime
They do need to. Because this is about PR. Because Red Bull Racing is a promotional activity for Red Bull the drink
If the leaks were fake, then it is almost certain that Red Bull or Horner would have said so. It would be quick, simple, and an obvious win for them. The fact they haven't is means that they are extremely likely to be real.
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Are you able to share your sources on that, or are you on the legal team, which is why you say it's obvious?
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I can’t believe there are actually people thinking they are fake this long into the saga.
Seems rather obvious they are legit, that doesn’t mean Horner has necessarily done some horrendous deed or whatever.
The texts were hardly shocking were they, just cringe and unprofessional at worst.
If someone was going to fake some texts etc with aim of taking him down you’d think they would make them a bit more explosive wouldn’t you.
On top of that you have Jos saying the team is being torn apart and Horner has to go, with Max saying his dad isn’t a liar in reference to that quote. If it’s all nonsense why is this all coming out at same time ?
Seems rather obvious they are legit, that doesn’t mean Horner has necessarily done some horrendous deed or whatever.
The texts were hardly shocking were they, just cringe and unprofessional at worst.
If someone was going to fake some texts etc with aim of taking him down you’d think they would make them a bit more explosive wouldn’t you.
On top of that you have Jos saying the team is being torn apart and Horner has to go, with Max saying his dad isn’t a liar in reference to that quote. If it’s all nonsense why is this all coming out at same time ?
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Caporegime
Absolutely correct she should be suspended when there is proper grounds for but it is two people so both should be suspended.
I had a case at work when a manager (female) was banging one of her subordinates and both were suspended. Also a second one where the male manager got sacked but that was more to do with the fact he was caught with his spam javelin in her mouth in a chiller.
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Soldato
But she's been suspended for being dishonest, sounds like something different to the current 'messages' we've seen. Why are you suspending both of them?
Soldato
No one's going to stop drinking their awful energy drinks just because Horner is a bit of a tart and PR people are paid to manage stuff like this.
Caporegime
Hmm. So brands spend a fortune on managing their reputations for nothing then, gotcha.
And? They're still completely hashing this up.
Soldato
No-one is going to care about this in a months time.
All people are going to be talking about is Red Bull winning race after race after race. Yeh the RB brand must be beside themselves being this successful.
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Of course. Because I don't think the answer to a CEO having an affair with a subordinate is that "it takes two to tango lolz". Irrespective of who is involved. It just so happens that Horner is involved, who has history of cheating on his partner, so it just makes it that slightly easier to believe what he's been accused of is real. Oh that, and the messages.
I think those denying the messages are real should probably learn how to read. Today Horner said: "The only reason this has gained so much attention is because of the leakage and attention in the media which has been very trying in many respects." I hate to point out the obvious, but it's only a leak if it's real. So maybe stop banging that drum for starters.
Funnily enough Horner is also keen to draw a line under the investigation, yet Honda say "We do not have full details on the matter at this point, therefore Honda are not in a position to make any detailed comment. We look forward to full clarity as soon as possible." So no, it's not going away any time soon.
At the end of the day, I called it a Trumpian defence from the start. The messages are real. Horner had an affair with a colleague. And RB is such a ****house toxic company that they just think they can bully their way through it, sack the woman (that'll be the next step) and be done with it. Disgusting.
The only 'positive' is that surely by following the events and decisions through, surely this woman is free to talk to the press as she didn't take a payoff. That'll be interesting.
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