Soldato
There are vileneuve fans?!?!?!
Biggest F1 shock since Benetton were found to have tampered with the fuel rig. lol
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Biggest F1 shock since Benetton were found to have tampered with the fuel rig. lol
Soldato
I've never been big fan of schumi, i dont know why, but that aside, it will be sad to see him go(again
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by no means do i see his return tarnished his reputation, if anything the opposite, it just shows his sheer desire and enjoyment of the sport.
I no matter what anyone says, Michael is a massively accomplished F1 driver, one if not THE best F1 drivers in the sports history and his contribution to the sport will long out live the man himself, never be forgotten and will forever be part of the rich history and lore of F1, he can retire in comfortable knowledge of this, fans for decades will still be using his accomplishments as a benchmark.
i may have had many many seasons of booing his highs and cheering his lows, but i'll always have massive respect for the man.
).by no means do i see his return tarnished his reputation, if anything the opposite, it just shows his sheer desire and enjoyment of the sport.
I no matter what anyone says, Michael is a massively accomplished F1 driver, one if not THE best F1 drivers in the sports history and his contribution to the sport will long out live the man himself, never be forgotten and will forever be part of the rich history and lore of F1, he can retire in comfortable knowledge of this, fans for decades will still be using his accomplishments as a benchmark.
i may have had many many seasons of booing his highs and cheering his lows, but i'll always have massive respect for the man.
There are vileneuve fans?!?!?!
233 copies of his album were sold in canada alone! and another 30 in america
(and im not even making that up)233 copies of his album were sold in canada alone! and another 30 in america
Dear god! I knew Canada had problems but 30 Americans! Reality troubles me sometimes
No they don't. It elevated Villeneuve. Jacques sold him the biggest dummy since Mansell did Piquet and MS lapped it up.If MS had half a brain where race craft is concerned he would have let him sail off into the gravel trap. Instead he helped slow him down.
I'm grateful to him. I'd have banned him or anyone else stupid enough to get sold one like that
Craig Pollock bought 230 of them though
229, I'm sure as a Jacques fan you bought one too.
Soldato
He certainly dominated his era, but the mid 90's to early 2000's weren't exactly golden years for F1 and his occasionally questionable antics will always overshadow his moments of actual proper talent.
His comeback was ill advised and has only served to tarnish his reputation. As for the man? Well I never much cared for him and won't mourn his second retirement.
His comeback was ill advised and has only served to tarnish his reputation. As for the man? Well I never much cared for him and won't mourn his second retirement.
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Sad to see him go. I think he has tarnished his reputation to a certain extent, in that casual observers still 'contribute' towards a reputation.
Whaaaaat?!
I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise, at least anyone who's ever heard of F1. Sure he wasn't always popular with everyone, but he was there to win races and championships, not to make friends!
Whaaaaat?!
I've never been big fan of schumi, i dont know why, but that aside, it will be sad to see him go(again
by no means do i see his return tarnished his reputation, if anything the opposite, it just shows his sheer desire and enjoyment of the sport.
I no matter what anyone says, Michael is a massively accomplished F1 driver, one if not THE best F1 drivers in the sports history and his contribution to the sport will long out live the man himself, never be forgotten and will forever be part of the rich history and lore of F1, he can retire in comfortable knowledge of this, fans for decades will still be using his accomplishments as a benchmark.
i may have had many many seasons of booing his highs and cheering his lows, but i'll always have massive respect for the man.
I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise, at least anyone who's ever heard of F1. Sure he wasn't always popular with everyone, but he was there to win races and championships, not to make friends!
Read that earlier, Benson seems to be saying it through gritted teeth with shockingly bad analogies, "the sporting personification of Machiavelli's prince" is the ultimate in pretentious drivel, that is also just monumentally wrong.
Plus he weighs into the MSc vs Rosberg season which is just grim reading.
The 4th comment describes it as an obituary which is how it reads, he's right in saying we shouldn't forget the first MSc but he really seems to take some joy in the failings of the comeback which is almost sad.
We seem to be reading a different piece
Never forget how great Michael Schumacher was
The new Schumacher was more human, more open and more likeable
And although Rosberg has taken the team's only win - in China earlier this year, when he was demonstrably superior all weekend - arguably Schumacher has been the better Mercedes driver this year.
Schumacher has suffered by far the worst of the team's frankly unacceptable reliability record and would almost certainly have been ahead of Rosberg in the championship had that not been the case. And he might even have won in Monaco had not a five-place grid penalty demoted him from pole position
It was the richest team, they had unlimited testing and bespoke tyres. Did this, people have said, mean Schumacher was not as good as he had looked?
If you watched him during his first career, though, you know how ridiculous an assertion this is. Schumacher in his pomp was undoubtedly one of the very greatest racing drivers there has ever been, a man who was routinely, on every lap, able to dance on a limit accessible to almost no-one else.
Sure, the competition in his heyday was not as deep as it is now, but Schumacher performed miracles with a racing car that stands comparison with the greatest drives of any era.
Victories such as his wet-weather domination of Spain in 1996, his incredible fightback in Hungary in 1998, his on-the-limit battle with Mika Hakkinen at Suzuka that clinched his first title in 2000 were tours de force. And there were many more among that astonishing total of 91 victories.
That, after all, is what Schumacher was, as well as one of the very greatest there has ever been. And nothing that has happened in the last three years can take that away.
What more could he say to keep people happy? I thought it was a well balanced piece
Clinched his first title in 2000? good journalism
I'm pretty sure we all know he meant for Ferrari without him having to state it, especially when he mentions his other titles.
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We seem to be reading a different piece
The new Schumacher was more human, more open and more likeable
And although Rosberg has taken the team's only win - in China earlier this year, when he was demonstrably superior all weekend - arguably Schumacher has been the better Mercedes driver this year.
Schumacher has suffered by far the worst of the team's frankly unacceptable reliability record and would almost certainly have been ahead of Rosberg in the championship had that not been the case. And he might even have won in Monaco had not a five-place grid penalty demoted him from pole position
Sunama, you say he's been consistently beaten by Rosberg, agree 100% with the article and the article says quite clearly that Schumi has been better than Rosberg and were it not for the reliability problems that have ruined his season he would be quite easily beating Rosberg(and in doing so he would likely be very close to Button on points).
Schumi HAS been better than Rosberg in race AND qualifying this year.
That is Schumi another year older beating the younger driver who should basically be approaching his prime, I personally think that categorically proves F1 isn't a young mans game.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2012-f1-statistics/driver-form-guides/michael-schumacher/
Out of 7 finishes(terrible but still most weren't down to him and he was often in a very good position when it happened) he has beaten Rosberg 6 times.
For me there are two reasons why Schumi wasn't better than Rosberg in the previous two years, one is, the cars were completely different. F1 used to be about braking/cornering/overtaking, a better driver could literally take corners better and that made a huge difference. Schumi is a "proper" driver, while he came back when the cars were, on rails, so much downforce it was silly, all kinds of crap to help with power through corners. He came back to a completely different kind of car which both took time to adjust to and on top of that he was coming back, why would anyone expect him to start right bang smack in the middle of his best form.
So it took him a decent amount of time to get form, get back into the swing of racing, and adapt to what is a fairly different way of driving.
I personally think Alonso, Hamilton and Schumi are doing SO well this year in general because these are, "real" car's, getting a corner perfect is down to being a top notch driver, not a double difuser, engine maps, exhaust, this year is a heck of a lot more about driver ability and its shown with a lot of the less good drivers struggling to find grip in corners(my balance, my balance) and the best drivers shone through, Alonso, Hamilton and Schumacher. They guys who feel a corner, feel the back end sliding out and can adjust for it and still put the power down vs those who simply aren't as good and either lose it or back off and can't be as fast.
I think Schumi could like this year, do very well next year, but he won't do "better" unless he ends up in a better car, which was looking not very likely. I mean smashing Kobe in a Sauber but being even further down the grid than he is today would just be taken as further failure.
You need to do some reading about how advanced electronically the Ferrari was he drove. A car that literally had the ability to alter engine map for each and every corner on a circuit lap after lap. It's laughable you know think Schumacher is doing better because all that has been removed.
All that's happened is he got old. His slow decline was hidden by an awesome car and team. In 2006 he knew it so he left. He had no desire to take on kimi.
Reliabilty or not the old MS would never have been out qualified 37 times so far out of 52. The racing has changed, before MS was the master of low fuel highly consistent short race stints. With most of his over taking done in the pitlane. He now has to race with a much more variable weight car and get the job done on the track. Most of his career was with fuel stops.
It's laughable you think there cars have more 'crap to power through corners' than most of the cars MS drove and I'm not talking about illegal traction control.
All that's happened is he got old. His slow decline was hidden by an awesome car and team. In 2006 he knew it so he left. He had no desire to take on kimi.
Reliabilty or not the old MS would never have been out qualified 37 times so far out of 52. The racing has changed, before MS was the master of low fuel highly consistent short race stints. With most of his over taking done in the pitlane. He now has to race with a much more variable weight car and get the job done on the track. Most of his career was with fuel stops.
It's laughable you think there cars have more 'crap to power through corners' than most of the cars MS drove and I'm not talking about illegal traction control.
He won't be missed, his return has been highly forgettable which I suppose is fortunate for him as he'll continue to be the legendary "7 times world champion".
...but lets face it bar one or two seasons in the 90s he won most of his titles in an utterly dominant car, it's no different to Vettel last year he was untouchable and yet this year he's not even a standout driver. Michael Schumacher was in the right time and place with Ferrari that is all.
...but lets face it bar one or two seasons in the 90s he won most of his titles in an utterly dominant car, it's no different to Vettel last year he was untouchable and yet this year he's not even a standout driver. Michael Schumacher was in the right time and place with Ferrari that is all.
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the titles dont make the man as many moss fans will tell us.
1998 was an incredible season and probably schumacher at his peak delivering some stunning qualifying sessions and race performances from both msc and hakkinen.
its pretty obvious your just another hater trying to belittle a mans achievements though.
you cant stand out without a car thats capable as hamilton fans will find out next year like they did in 2011....
1998 was an incredible season and probably schumacher at his peak delivering some stunning qualifying sessions and race performances from both msc and hakkinen.
its pretty obvious your just another hater trying to belittle a mans achievements though.
you cant stand out without a car thats capable as hamilton fans will find out next year like they did in 2011....
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I was pretty gutted when I heard the news as I don't want Schumi leaving F1. 
Only thing I am positive about is that at least now we have seen the Human side of him, I'm hoping he'll take over a team or summit, I know he says he don't want to but he's not read my email yet.
Only thing I am positive about is that at least now we have seen the Human side of him, I'm hoping he'll take over a team or summit, I know he says he don't want to but he's not read my email yet.
I am looking at his performance across 3 years (not just this year).
Rosberg has outscored him in every year (though MSc has had bad luck this year). In MSc's heyday, do you believe that any driver would've been able to do this? In his heyday, would he have made so many errors? Would have have dropped so many points?
The only year in MSc's first career where he was outscored was the year where he broke his leg. THAT is what it took to beat MSc in his first career - a broken body. Anything else, meant that he would beat you in equal machinery.
And with regards to people ignoring titles won: titles are what make a reputation. When you look at a football team, an F1 driver, a tennis player, when asked how good they are/were, the first question asked is how many titles did that sports team/player win?
Titles are VERY important when it comes to deciding how good a driver (or any sportsman) was/is.