MSC Retires

4T5 said:
I'm hoping he'll take over a team or summit,
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He tried to stay out of F1 for 3 years. And he couldn't.
I do not believe he can stay out of F1 and he will return in some capacity. Given his wealth and pulling power, I feel he will be running his own team very soon. Now, whether he will be successful, is a completely different matter. ;)
 
It's made F1 interesting having Schumi there for the last 2 years and seeing how he gets on, wondering if he could really be a world beater again. But let's face it, he was past his sell by date years ago. His ego is what brought him back, and I imagine that secretly, Ross Brawn was probably waiting for the day he would retire so he could bring in someone young, fresh and who could win races.
 
yup lets see what hamiton can do with the 4-5tenths anthony davidson thinks hes bringing to mercedes LOL.......

how someone so close to f1 can be so deluded is beyond me
 
arknor said:
yup lets see what hamiton can do with the 4-5tenths anthony davidson thinks hes bringing to mercedes LOL.......

how someone so close to f1 can be so deluded is beyond me
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I don't know why that's beyond the realms of possibility. After all you say MS peaked in 98ish. 14 years ago. He's certainly better than Rosberg and Hamilton is bringing at least 0.2 over Button on most Saturdays, so 4 tenths over MS is not so unbelievable. I would have fully expected Button to pound on MS far worse than Rosberg has.

I'm pretty sure if someone in F1 says next year MS was worth 0.4 over Hamilton you would lap it up. At these current stages of career I'd be surprised if Hamilton isn't worth that much over MS in the current rule/reg format.

In their primes it would be a much better contest of course. MS as you said is 14 years past that.
 
I'll always remember watching F1 as a child, and shouting at the TV because he never put a foot wrong. If he was leading a race, it was almost nailed on that he would win :mad:

Great driver, but a shame he joined a poor team for his comeback.

I hope the WDC is sorted before the last race of the year. It would be fitting if the top teams pulled over and let him have 1 race win in the Merc :)
 
EVH said:
I'll always remember watching F1 as a child, and shouting at the TV because he never put a foot wrong. If he was leading a race, it was almost nailed on that he would win :mad:

Great driver, but a shame he joined a poor team for his comeback.

I hope the WDC is sorted before the last race of the year. It would be fitting if the top teams pulled over and let him have 1 race win in the Merc :)
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But the question I sometimes ask myself is, is the level of skill in drivers (putting aside rosberg) like vettel, hamilton, alonso, etc higher than it was when MS was in his youth? Did MS win against drivers as skilled as today's? Or to look at it a different way, if vettel, alonso or hamilton were sent back in time to drive all of MS's races in the 90's, would any one of them have been a 7 times WDC or more, that might not be as possible to achieve today? I'm not trying to take anything away from MS, because he obviously had what it takes to beat the competition (of that time) multiple times over. But everyone and everything today, be it sport, music, etc has higher fitness, higher technical proficiency and a higher level of perfection than we've ever seen before.
 
Merlin5 said:
But the question I sometimes ask myself is, is the level of skill in drivers (putting aside rosberg) like vettel, hamilton, alonso, etc higher than it was when MS was in his youth? .
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I need to find out exactly when I made this list on another forum, but I made it to highlight the lack of decent drivers he raced against in his first career. (Again I will go back and double check the year and add to it)

Wow just saw Ralph Firmans name on the list, forgot he even existed :D

Michael Schumacher
Damon Hill
Jean Alesi
Rubens
Ukyo Katayama
Johnny Herbert
Pierluigi Martini
Erik Comas
Pedro Lamy
Oliver Panis
David brabham
Ayrton senna
Martin Brundle
Eddie Irvine
Jos Verstappen
Eric Bernard
Mark Blundell
Christian Fittipaldi
HHF
Mika Hakkinen
Michele Alboreto
Gianni Morbidelli
Gerhard Berger
Oliver Beretta
Bertrand Gachot
Roland Ratzenburger
Paul Belmondo
David Coulthard
Mika Salo
Aguri Suzuki
Andrea Montermini
Pedro Diniz
Taki Inoue
Roberto Moreno
Karl Wendlinger
Mimmi schiattarella
Pierluigi Martini
Jacques villeneuve
Riccardo rosset
Giancarlo Fisichella
Luca Badoer
Nicola Larini
Shinji Nakano
Jarno Trulli
Jan Magnussen
Ralf Schumacher
Vincenzo Sospiri
Alexander Wurz
Taranosuke Takagi
Esteban Tuero
Pedro de la Rosa
Ricardo Zonta
Marc Gene
Alessandro Zanardi
Nick Heidfeld
Jenson Button
Gaston Mazzacane
Kimi Raikonen
Luciano burti
Fernando Alonso
Juan Pablo Montoya
Tarso Marques
Enrique Bernoldi
Mark Webber
Alex Yoong
Takuma Sato
Felippe Massa
Allan Mcnish
Antonio Pizzonia
Justin Wilson
Cristiano Da matta
Ralph firman
Christian klien
Giorgio Pantano
Gianmaria Bruni
Zsolt Baumgartner
Tiago Montero
Robert Doornbos
Christian Albers
Narain Karthikeyan
Vitantonio Liuzzi
 
Mr Men said:
Cool list, Senna, JV, Hill, Mika, Jenson, Alonso and Kimi all world champs suggests there was plenty of talent there.
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Yeah for the length of his career he was only ever battling one at a time. He only really battled senna for a few races :(,

Hill for 94 and 95

JV for a part of 96 and 97.

Mika for 98 and 2000.

Jenson was never a threat.

Alonso in 2005/06?

Was Kimi ever in many title battles with him?

I think the title has changed massively in recent years, MS only ever really took on one contender at a time. Now you have to fight much more closely. Maybe that's incorrect but it just feels that way to me looking back :)
 
i dont know how people can question schumachers kill when rubens nearly had button in the brawn car.

didnt pre accident massa beat kimi aswell?
 
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