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MSI: *Offical* N460GTX Hawk 1GB OC Edition thread

Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but. The thing is standard or 'lesser' 460s, including for example the MSI Cyclone, or even a Palit if you must, can achieve well over 900 MHz with a good core - such results are everywhere. That suggests the extra PCB upgrades of something like the Hawk are not required to reach that sort of level. i.e. they will only come into play when paired with an absolutely exceptional core, and then, and only then, those PCB upgrades may help that core reach the lofty heights of, say, 950+ MHz. Most cores wont even do 900 MHz whatever PCB they're on, so that brings me back to my original point - why make a card like the Hawk when chances are the random core it gets paired with wont get anywhere near taking benefit of the fantastic PCB. A great PCB needs to be gauranteed to be paired with a great core or the product is a crazy proposition imho.

But at the current price I'd buy one tomorrow if I was in the market for a GPU, just on the off chance the core on it is worthy of the PCB :)

EDIT: missed that post by mikeo - at least somebody understands my point :)

Point understood. When cherry picking the GPU, where do you draw the line though? The higher the line, the more expensive the card.

The hawk GPU's are cherry picked to the point they are guaranteed stable at 780MHZ under any conditions. For this it is likely they have been verified to something well above 780MHz in order to guarantee long term stability, something not done on a cheaper card.

Side Note: Also worth noting that there is no way of knowing what speed the 900MHz OC GPU on the palit card, would be getting if i was on the hawk :p

I do understand your valid point, although the reality if we cherry picked the GPU's to 900MHz say, they would be shipped at 900MHz and be a hell of a lot higher to the point you would not be happy with the price. At least with the current price of the hawk, even if you run at stock its pretty good value.



My hawk came today and died today

RIP :(

what happened :eek:
 
Liampope - i think you got sidetracked with mikeo's findings, he's not pushing it further because of one benchmark, which showed 1 error after 30mins. A benchmark that no game will ever match. I don't think he even seen any artificating, which seems a little anal to be honest. I don't personally think he needs to treat the card with such kid gloves. Seeing that all the parts of the card apart from the core are designed to have extreme tolerence i think really he can push it to 900 for daily gaming and see no problems for a few years.
 
what happened :eek:

Well it came i installed it then after around 90 mins of being turned on my pc suddenly shut down

when i turned it back on i had no display and was greeted by that lovely smell of burning silicon

must say im disappointed

when i first opened it was really impressed with the card and cooler
felt really high quality and solid :(

ordered another one that should be here tomorrow

hope the next one is ok
 
Well it came i installed it then after around 90 mins of being turned on my pc suddenly shut down

when i turned it back on i had no display and was greeted by that lovely smell of burning silicon

must say im disappointed

when i first opened it was really impressed with the card and cooler
felt really high quality and solid :(

ordered another one that should be here tomorrow

hope the next one is ok

Sorry to hear that... Take some piccies or a video of the unboxing of your new card when it arrives and I will send you a tshirt and a few goodies to make up for the lost day of gaming. I am sure you will have no problems with the new one :D
 
@ MSI-Guru: Fair enough - I guess it all comes down to economics in the end. 10 years ago, if I'd properly considered the premium I was paying for my 'tested and gauranteed to overclock to 900 or whatever it was' PIII 650, including import from USA tax, I probably should have just bought a standard 900 in the first place (and overclocked that) :) Ah the folly of youth.

Well if there is some degree of cherry picking and testing involved in giving the Hawk's stock clock rating, I guess at least your chances are much better of getting a good core. I'm almost tempted to sell my 5850 and get one of these Hawks on special offer just to show my approval. Probably wouldn't gain anything though would I? Or would I?...

@robgmun: A good point well made about stability OCD :) See a fair bit of that here (not that I'm necessarily putting mikeo here in quite that category!). I remember one nutter absolutely insisting on at least 72 hours of max IBT (ouch poor CPU) because he didn't want his 'friends' to laugh at him if Crysis ever crashed at a lan party! :o
 
@ MSI-Guru: Fair enough - I guess it all comes down to economics in the end. 10 years ago, if I'd properly considered the premium I was paying for my 'tested and gauranteed to overclock to 900 or whatever it was' PIII 650, including import from USA tax, I probably should have just bought a standard 900 in the first place (and overclocked that) :) Ah the folly of youth.

I know the feeling :) It does work out good value when you get to the top end of products, however the cost is already really high then (at least as a cost per frame goes) :D

Well if there is some degree of cherry picking and testing involved in giving the Hawk's stock clock rating, I guess at least your chances are much better of getting a good core. I'm almost tempted to sell my 5850 and get one of these Hawks on special offer just to show my approval. Probably wouldn't gain anything though would I? Or would I?...

Lets say for the next 5 people, anyone posting interesting unboxing, or videos in this thread will get a freebie pack from me (what's in it, nobody knows... you will have to wait and see). :D
 
Lets say for the next 5 people, anyone posting interesting unboxing, or videos in this thread will get a freebie pack from me (what's in it, nobody knows... you will have to wait and see). :D

Does it have to be an unboxing of an MSI product?:p

Look what you're doing to me - I'm actually considering a hardware swap that is probably at best a sideways move, just because I fancy a change:mad: All to get a 'freebie pack' - it better be good :)

Questions:

Can I get £180 for an original reference 5850 still in warranty?

Will a Hawk 460 OC'd at least match the 5850 and give me Physx etc and a slightly shorter card in my case on top?

Hmmmm...
 
Lets say for the next 5 people, anyone posting interesting unboxing, or videos in this thread will get a freebie pack from me (what's in it, nobody knows... you will have to wait and see). :D

You can be sure that i will be posting pics of the unboxing and screenshots of benchmarks comparing it with my old 8800GTX come Saturday night/Sunday morning. I'm very excited!!
 
Liampope - i think you got sidetracked with mikeo's findings, he's not pushing it further because of one benchmark, which showed 1 error after 30mins. A benchmark that no game will ever match. I don't think he even seen any artificating, which seems a little anal to be honest. I don't personally think he needs to treat the card with such kid gloves. Seeing that all the parts of the card apart from the core are designed to have extreme tolerence i think really he can push it to 900 for daily gaming and see no problems for a few years.

Assumptions, assumptions. :rolleyes:

"1 error after 30mins" ... "I don't think he even seen any artificating"

It showed a damn site more than 1 error in 30 minutes in OCCT at 920mHz, in fact it was rapidly showing 1,000's before I quickly shut the test down and that was after only around 10 minutes. And it was hence showing a massive amount of visible artifacts. White dot city man.

Though I suspect you are right about it being fine at 900MHz in general use. But frankly I'd rather back it off a few MHz to play safe. It's not like it's going to make that much difference between 860/880 and 900MHz.

It's really a matter of personal opinion and what an individual is happy with. Like a lot of things in life, there is no real right, or wrong way to do do it etc. :)

edit. Just seen where you got the 1 error comment from. That was when I had it at 850MHz. So maybe bumping the voltage at this point was slightly overkill.
Though at 920MHz it was throwing a mental number of errors, even with the full +100mV.

I would still like to know why they dropped the voltage increase in AfterBurner from +200mV to +100mV for the 460 HAWK! (still mentions +200mV in the README for AfterBurner). As the version of AfterBurner supplied to a number of the folks that reviewed it OL, supported the +200mV. And it's only using this "beta" version that most folks have managed to hit the really BIG OCs. Probably just playing it safe I suppose.

For example: If you look close enough at these reviews, they all show a GPU voltage max bump of +200mV
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3...60_hawk_1gb_video_card_overclocked/index.html
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/09/20/msi_n460gtx_hawk_edition_video_card_review/6 ... though not too impressive a max OC here! and required +170mV!

Though I accept that a couple of other reviews appear to have used versions of AfterBurner with "only" +100mV possible and done decently.

Which pretty much comes back to what I and a fair few others have already said (including Mr MSI) and that is, it's a "lucky dip" as to whether you get a top class OCer.

xxx
 
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(not that I'm necessarily putting mikeo here in quite that category!). ! :o

Not quite sure whether I've just been insulted? or paid a complement?

:):):)

PS. Someone commented on a thread in the graphics forum here that they ran OCCT for 12 Hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and this was their definition of stability. Now that maybe is anal.
 
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if you have to rma an msi card where do you have to send it to

If bought from OCuk see:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/support.php

Basically as far as I see it, you can return to the supplier within the first 12 months. Though most mainstream manufacturers offer some sort of direct RMA themselves.
EG. Western Digital have a very good RMA service. I got a drive turned round in a week.

After the 12 months (unless specified when buying the product) it would then need to go direct back to the manufacturer.
 
Hi

Im thinking of moving from my HD 5770 Hawk to a GTX 460 Hawk but does anyone know the actual PCB size the GTX 460 has ? as its says it 238mm long but the 5770 is 208 long (The 5770 fits in my case fine)

N460GTX-HAWK_box.jpg


It looks like the extra length is due to the cooler at the top of the card , Im trying to fit this in an Antec Fusion and my sata ports are usually in the way for long GPU cards :bang head

If anyone has this card you would be doing me a big favour

Thanks
 
Hi

but does anyone know the actual PCB size the GTX 460 has ? as its says it 238mm long but the 5770 is 208 long (The 5770 fits in my case fine)

Thanks

Hi... glad to help. Just got the tape measure out for you. The actual PCB comes in at approx. 225mm and yes the fan shroud does overhang this by approx. 15mm. Thus making the card at its longest point approx. 240mm.

Be warned though. That the 2 power connectors are at the end of the card, rather than on the edge/side. So this may/may not effect you.

And "yes" at the current price, the card is a steal.

PS. If you look at post no. 41 in this thread, you will see a picture of it fitted in my system. Just in case this helps.
 
Got mine this morning and must say I'm quite pleased with it thus far. Temps and noise are much reduced compared to my GTX280. Mine came with Assassins Creed II (Ubisoft DRM infested junk), but I won't hold that against MSI :p
 
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