Murder of 87 year old in the street

[mrk]

In usual DM failure, they [posted a video of the police statement but the video title was that the "culprit" was named, when in fact it was the victim. Obvious clickbait so I won't even bother posting the video. Instead have commented for others to report the video as misleading and hopefully youtube take action

 

[Freakbro]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but when people say the death penalty is more expensive Vs life in prison they are only talking about initial prosecution costs, they don't take into account the economic cost of a prisoner serving time in jail.

No, it compares the two in entirety, else it wouldn't make sense.

Obviously the research in based in the American system, since we dont have the death penalty, but the reasons given are

Costs | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

The death penalty is far more expensive than a system utilizing life-without-parole sentences as an alternative punishment. Some of the reasons for the high cost of the death penalty are the longer trials and appeals required when a person’s life is on the line, the need for more lawyers and experts on both sides of the case, and the relative rarity of executions. Most cases in which the death penalty is sought do not end up with the death penalty being imposed. And once a death sentence is imposed, the most likely outcome of the case is that the conviction or death sentence will be overturned in the courts. Most defendants who are sentenced to death essentially end up spending life in prison, but at a highly inflated cost because the death penalty was involved in the process.

How much the death penalty actually costs and how that compares to a system in which a life sentence is the maximum punishment can only be determined by sophisticated studies, usually at the state level. Many such studies have been conducted and their conclusions are consistent: the death penalty imposes a net cost on the taxpayers compared to life without parole.

So it's mainly the increased legal costs, combined with the fact they spend a long time in prison/end up not being killed anyway as the appeals drag on.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Watch the absolutely pathetic sentence that gets thrown his way.

 

[Uther]

No, it compares the two in entirety, else it wouldn't make sense.

Obviously the research in based in the American system, since we dont have the death penalty, but the reasons given are

Costs | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

That's because they have v expensive lawyers, and endless appeals going on years, as it's America.
Here it should be trial > guilty verdict > appeal > rope and not a lot of time passed, as opposed to paying for 50 years in a nice cosy prison.

 

[VincentHanna]

Watch the absolutely pathetic sentence that gets thrown his way.

Let's come back to this comment, around the time of the sentencing.

 

[200sols]

That's rot and you know it is, why do you post such hyperbolic nonsense?

Ahhh….Facts vs Feels again. Thanks for the facts.

10% of murderers are out in 10 years or less.

Think about that, you kill someone and spend less than 10 years in prison. Pathetic.

 

[imtoooldforthis]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but when people say the death penalty is more expensive Vs life in prison they are only talking about initial prosecution costs, they don't take into account the economic cost of a prisoner serving time in jail.

I was under the impression it often worked out more expensive due to all the legal appeals etc

 

[Chris Wilson]

My only hope is the consolation of some particularly nasty and bloody summary justice occuring within the prison system, when this man is detained, should the police indeed have the murderer in custody.

"But that's revenge", a few will stammer. Some of my best nights sleep and sense of self satisfaction have come after revengeful acts, they can be highly therapeutic. I look forward to hearing of some terrible and shocking fate having befallen the murderer, for one of the most cowardly and callous acts I have heard of in a long time.

 

[Freakbro]

10% of murderers are out in 10 years or less.

Think about that, you kill someone and spend less than 10 years in prison. Pathetic.

Come on you're better than that. You dont think you'd need to look into the reasons behind that statistic rather than just jumping to the conclusion that the justice system is soft on murderers?

For example, an elderly partner providing assisted suicide to their terminal partner is charged with murder, but the mitigating circumstances mean they dont get a whole life term.

Since judges are able to consider the circumstances specific to the case, there’s a wide variety of possible sentences. Some murderers have been known to be given under 10 years in prison when exceptional mitigating factors are taken into account.

An example is a case from several years ago, when someone was released after just over three years and seven months. The Ministry of Justice pointed out at the time that this was because of special circumstances: “Although the offender pleaded guilty and was convicted of murder, it might be described as an assisted suicide and was dealt with apparently sympathetically by the sentencing judge.”

What about a person who has had a life of physical and mental abuse from their controlling partner, who snaps and murders them.

How long do murderers serve in prison? - Full Fact

Over half of murderers released from prison have served between 11 and 18 years in custody.

fullfact.org

Plus even when released, they are on licence for life so can go back to prison at any time for breaking their parole conditions.

 

[Uther]

I was under the impression it often worked out more expensive due to all the legal appeals etc

As it's America yes. Someone getting executed 30 years or so after the crime after decades of appeals is nuts.

 

[Uther]

My only hope is the consolation of some particularly nasty and bloody summary justice occuring within the prison system, when this man is detained, should the police indeed have the murderer in custody.

"But that's revenge", a few will stammer. Some of my best nights sleep and sense of self satisfaction have come after revengeful acts, they can be highly therapeutic. I look forward to hearing of some terrible and shocking fate having befallen the murderer, for one of the most cowardly and callous acts I have heard of in a long time.

Some people deserve zero sympathy, and everything that's coming to them. I put child murderers in the same category.

 

[C Kent]

No, it compares the two in entirety, else it wouldn't make sense.

Obviously the research in based in the American system, since we dont have the death penalty, but the reasons given are

Costs | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

So it's mainly the increased legal costs, combined with the fact they spend a long time in prison/end up not being killed anyway as the appeals drag on.

Do they actually break it down into an easy to read lower level cost comparison?

It looks as if the bulk of the costs to the taxpayer come from appeals extending incarceration time? In a case such as the thread topic, what would there be to appeal? If a murder is caught on CCTV like this then surely court - death - done isnt an issue?

I also note they have felony murder charges in the US, probably accounts for a fair few appeals thus extending costs?

 

[NVP]

10% of murderers are out in 10 years or less.

Think about that, you kill someone and spend less than 10 years in prison. Pathetic.

Are you simple?

I'm so glad the majority of those posting in this thread have absolutely no influence on governance, or even journalism with the rest of the nonsense posted here!

 

[200sols]

Come on you're better than that. You dont think you'd need to look into the reasons behind that statistic rather than just jumping to the conclusion that the justice system is soft on murderers?

For example, an elderly partner providing assisted suicide to their terminal partner is charged with murder, but the mitigating circumstances mean they dont get a whole life term.



What about a person who has had a life of physical and mental abuse from their controlling partner, who snaps and murders them.

How long do murderers serve in prison? - Full Fact

Over half of murderers released from prison have served between 11 and 18 years in custody.

fullfact.org

Plus even when released, they are on licence for life so can go back to prison at any time for breaking their parole conditions.

Hardly anyone gets a whole life term, the average release time is 16 years, that is pathetic in my eyes. What sort of justice is that.

Also releasing them doesn't work.

Between January 2007 and May 2015, 12 people were murdered by people who had previously been convicted of murder, according to the Ministry of Justice. Those murders were carried out by 11 separate offenders as one was responsible for two murders

But still, I'll concede assisted suicide laws need to change.

 

[Freakbro]

Do they actually break it down into an easy to read lower level cost comparison?

It looks as if the bulk of the costs to the taxpayer come from appeals extending incarceration time? In a case such as the thread topic, what would there be to appeal? If a murder is caught on CCTV like this then surely court - death - done isnt an issue?

I dont know, but like a lot of things, what maybe should be easy when looking at it superficially actually isn't that easy when it comes to doing it in real life. You'd think if it was that easy they wouldn't have the issue in America then, but they do. So why would it be different over here?

 

[Dis86]

the muslims is a race now

Yes, by definition they are. Look up the definition of race.

 

[Efour]

I was under the impression it often worked out more expensive due to all the legal appeals etc

Introduce a new deal death sentence.
No Appeal allowed.
For when the suspect admits it, is caught red handed, so to speak.

 

[Efour]

Yes, by definition they are. Look up the definition of race.

Yeah definition changed. A race is just a group of anything now.
Vegetarians are racist towards meat for example.

 

[C Kent]

I dont know, but like a lot of things, what maybe should be easy when looking at it superficially actually isn't that easy when it comes to doing it in real life. You'd think if it was that easy they wouldn't have the issue in America then, but they do. So why would it be different over here?

Suppose it boils down to what rights do you think someone murdering someone else with clear CCTV evidence has. I do think a lot of the current laws we have given the technology available today are outdated personally. Take this case, on the face of it in my opinion a jury trial isn't needed.

 

[Freakbro]

Suppose it boils down to what rights do you think someone murdering someone else with clear CCTV evidence has. I do think a lot of the current laws we have given the technology available today are outdated personally. Take this case, on the face of it in my opinion a jury trial isn't needed.

It's still not that simple though. Being devils advocate, with todays technology you can also have deep fakes. So what if someone produced a deep fake video of you being a murderer, that's it then? You're guilty, no trial no appeal just judgement and rope.

I'd be very careful about wanting to casually throw away our checks and balances in the justice system due to some heinous but rare crimes.