Murder of 87 year old in the street

CapitalOne said:
I thought trial by jury of your peers was still a thing?

Forget this case, but in general. Are you saying "except where it's blatently obvious"?
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For murder, caught on camera, under similar circumstances such as this yes.
Just like I'd be more than happy to see the death penalty brought back for murder and child rapists.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Isn't it strange how easy it is to predict the location this occurred in before opening the article... What a dump it is becoming.
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Ealing is a pretty nice area dude and is considered one of the best parts of London to live due to the leafy suburbs and excellent transport links

One maniac stabbing someone to death doesn't suddenly turn it into a dump, well maybe it does if you are a horrendous reactionary...
 
imtoooldforthis said:
Ealing is a pretty nice area dude and is considered one of the best parts of London to live due to the leafy suburbs and excellent transport links

One maniac stabbing someone to death doesn't suddenly turn it into a dump, well maybe it does if you are a horrendous reactionary...
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I have been living in London for 20 years, and apparently it has never not been 'becoming a dump' :D

It used to be an actual dump a few hundred years ago, with actual crap covering the streets.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Knife crime and muggings will probably go up sharply with the rising prices/energy prices and general cost of living.

If you can't afford to live, as in actually, by the definition, cannot afford to live, then people like this will resort to the alternatives.
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The alternative being to knife a disabled, very old man on a disability scooter? How might that improve this man's lot, was he after his accordion, or to steal his scooter? Perhaps to take the proceeds of his busking? I doubt, very much doubt this man was worried about any outstanding debts, or the stigma of a poor credit score, nor do I believe he was starving to death and thought the old man's carrier bags might contain enough food to see him through until the next day. What I do see is the usual crowd making vile excuses for the behaviour of a man who in reality is deserving of a lynching, or at best euthanising. Whatever anyone's financial situation is, whatever anyone's opinion of the government in Downing Street is, whatever chip is upon someone's shoulder, there is no justification whatsoever, nor any excuse to be made for ANYONE in this country to knife a frail old man to death.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Wheres that then?
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It's funny, you can see how he gets himself all worked up ready, with his first post about Speakers Corner ( as always living rent free in his head :cry:), then priming his frothing outrage about what the 'usual crowd' say with his second post

Chris Wilson said:
This is the reality of noses being rubbed in multiculturalism. Those that embrace it will no doubt be plotting how to claim such savagery is not the fault of the murderer, and the obvious common denominator that is apparent in such gratuitous violence, but the fault of, well, let's wait and see who or what cops it this time...
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But that it doesn't happen is irrelevant to Chris, he's made a position up in his head and by God that's now reality! :cry: So we end up with the inevitable rant of

Chris Wilson said:
What I do see is the usual crowd making vile excuses for the behaviour of a man who in reality is deserving of a lynching, or at best euthanising. Whatever anyone's financial situation is, whatever anyone's opinion of the government in Downing Street is, whatever chip is upon someone's shoulder, there is no justification whatsoever, nor any excuse to be made for ANYONE in this country to knife a frail old man to death.
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About something that never happened, but it'll continue to cement his feelings about what the 'usual crowd' say, even though no-one did :p
 
I don't see it mentioned anywhere as yet, but I think this is the same person, as the date 2011 ties up with his current age: https://www.richmondandtwickenhamti...llers-in-richmond-three-times-in-five-months/

Five members of an armed West London gang responsible for two violent smash and grab robberies were sentenced to a total of 41 years in jail on Thursday February 3.

The armed gang, who included members from Hammersmith and Acton, stole more than £250,000 of money and jewellery from shops in Victoria and Richmond.

The robbers, who were recruited and organised by Lee Byer, 32, of Bollo Lane in Acton, targeted jewellers in Victoria and Richmond and were jailed at Kingston Crown Court. The five had previously pleaded guilty at the same court on August 16 and October 18 2010.

The men were arrested after an investigation by the Metropolitan Police Flying Squad, Barnes.

They identified Byer as the head of the gang, who acted as a Fagin-type character to recruit young members into the gang to commit the robberies.
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Full read here: https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shared:common:concrimegang002
 
@Nelly , yeh seems the same guy.

Detective Chief Inspector Pam Mace in charge of MPS Flying Squad at Barnes said: "Lee Byer was a prominent and influential figure within West London crime circles. He controlled a violent gang of young men, directing them to commit high value commercial robberies and regarded himself as untouchable.
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Lee Byer, 32, of Bollo Lane, W3, pleaded guilty to robbery at H Stain Jewellers, Victoria on 27 April 2010 and conspiracy to commit robbery at Horton Jewellers, Richmond on 5 February 2010. He was jailed for 12 years.
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Comes out worse. Rejuvenation failed. Still on probation maybe? Handlers will get Q'd, hope all is good on their front.

Going to get a nice, justifiably long sentence.
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
@Nelly , yeh seems the same guy.



Comes out worse. Rejuvenation failed. Still on probation maybe? Handlers will get Q'd, hope all is good on their front.

Going to get a nice, justifiably long sentence.
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Should have had a longer sentence in the first place for what he did. If he had done this guy would still be alive as well.
 
Dis86 said:
Should have had a longer sentence in the first place for what he did. If he had done this guy would still be alive as well.
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Hindsight is a bitch, but also 12yrs for robbery isn't exactly minor...

(Although I've no idea if he served full term)
 
Freakbro said:

It's funny, you can see how he gets himself all worked up ready, with his first post about Speakers Corner ( as always living rent free in his head :cry:), then priming his frothing outrage about what the 'usual crowd' say with his second post



But that it doesn't happen is irrelevant to Chris, he's made a position up in his head and by God that's now reality! :cry: So we end up with the inevitable rant of



About something that never happened, but it'll continue to cement his feelings about what the 'usual crowd' say, even though no-one did :p
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The very post I replied to is an example of someone excusing the animal, it suggests inflation of all things as the reason for the stabbing to death of a frail old gentleman resorting to busking to make a few bob, on a mobility scooter, for God's sake....

. The internet in general and media comments are awash with people saying targeted stop and search mustn't resume (when the statistics show the same demographic over and over again are responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of knife and gun crime, and targetted stop and search is EXACTLY what's needed). The same media is awash with whataboutism, claiming white men have committed heinous crimes too, we mustn't look to ethnics disproportionately, when disproportionately they head crime statistics for fatal knife and gun crime, and drug dealing. You yourself are always remarkably eager to defend the rights of those who really shouldn't have any. I am becoming inured to blacks killing each other, but not to them killing our own, especially old gentlemen in obvious states of frailty.

I am not sure why you direct me to some mixed race singer wearing beads, on YouTube, I haven't the slightest intention of devoting time to such things, I have had a belly full of being driven towards inclusivity and tolerance.
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
Hindsight is a bitch, but also 12yrs for robbery isn't exactly minor...

(Although I've no idea if he served full term)
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It wasn't just the single charge but also he played a planning and leadership role. I imagine he was also known for other crimes that just weren't able to be charged but the judge probably had in mind with the sentencing.
He'll also likely have only spent 6 years in then the rest on licence etc.
 
Nelly said:
I don't see it mentioned anywhere as yet, but I think this is the same person, as the date 2011 ties up with his current age: https://www.richmondandtwickenhamti...llers-in-richmond-three-times-in-five-months/

Full read here: https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shared:common:concrimegang002
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If this is the same man we can rest assured that lessons will be learned and steps taken to more robustly support people being introduced back into the community. As for the old gent who bled his life away, terrified on his mobility scooter, his family will get relief by the mayor of London Sadiq Khan's statement that "we cannot arrest our way out of criminality", as he continues his pathetically weak stance on London gang, knife and gun crimes.
 
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