Music; where did it all go wrong?

So you hold the "bob the builder" song in the same regard as Mozart or Beethoven? You (or people like you) will be keeping that song alive for the next 300 years? No.... you won't. It's disposable. It's creation had nothing to do with musical expression.... it's purpose was to make money..... and once something disposable has served it's purpose, it gets classified as rubbish.

So now you're classing Adele, Beyonce, Rhianna, Cher Lloyd in the same category as Bob The Builder.
Like I said - Music Nazi.

I may be into Metal but I know not to tell people that my music choice is better than theirs.
Terrible way of thinking.
 
People listen to music for different reasons, it's not a really a question of what is better or not. Comparing a classical composition to your average pop song is meaningless - a common criteria for meaningful comparision simply does not exist.
 
Where did it go wrong? It hasn't gone wrong. There is so much incredible music being made today that it makes your head spin. You were sat at a computer, connected to the internet, when posting this thread... You are connected to a bottomless well of music. There are so many more people making music today, to an extremely high standard, and it's so easy to access. Go onto SoundCloud, MySpace, ReverbNation, Spotify, Last.fm... Just search.

And just to make the point that it's not all great stuff, here's a link to my ReverbNation page. ;)

http://www.reverbnation.com/nathanielmyers
 
What you said was still nonsense, no music is designed to be rubbish.

I think you and dmpoole are getting the wrong end of the stick here. Whilst I agree that no music is designed to be rubbish, there most certainly is music which is designed to be entirely disposable.

Calling it "rubbish" is, obviously, entirely subjective. But the point being made is that pop music such a business now that there are parties who actively create music with the intention of selling loads of records. With that in mind, it's difficult to create anything with any meaning or substance if the sole aim is just to shift units. And since everyone looks for meaning in everything always, there are many listeners out there who listen to music purely as a form of escape, for those who do not want to think about music or to be challenged, the exact kind of individual disposable music is made for. People who have no real taste and/or appreciation for music.

dmpoole: your music nazi example is rather flawed. The 3 minute pop song was an entirely different beast in the 70s. Artists who created music like that also made a concentrated effort to craft albums and songs beyond radio friendly unit shifters. Whilst there are many pop artists in the industry today with similar intentions, when we start to think of things like the Macarana, the Crazy Frog and other such things you really need to shelf ideas of artistic integrity.

The point being: pop artists used to strive for both radio friendly music AND artistic integrity. Most pop artists still do, but in today's world where making money is king, one cannot honestly argue that things like the crazy frog or Bob the Builder were created with both artistic integrity and legacy in mind.

GOOD pop music will stand the test of time. From this particular era, good pop music will remain good music in ten years time, and in a sense even if it doesn't have any kind of "artistic integrity" at the moment, if it still sounds good in a decade it'll gain that label by proxy. BAD pop music (cheeky girls, crazy frog, the cartoons, aqua, the vegnaboys etc - the list goes on and on) will only grow worse with age yet somehow, paradoxically, they shifted an absolute ton of records.

The issue here is a semantic one, and a fine line that is not observed: not all pop music these days is entirely disposable and forgettable, but there ARE those who create music with one sole aim in mind, and we would do well not to confuse them, conflate them, or even compare them to pop music which has and which will craft a legacy of its own

If, somehow, in ten years time Bob the Builder is seen as the peak of musical creativity in the 00s then that's fine by me, I'll disagree and move on. But we absolutely should not, and cannot, deny what a soulless industry the music industry can be. Pop music lives on numbers and money, sometimes there are things which are created solely for the purpose of achieving both these things at the sake of meaning but that's just the way it goes.

Someone might be able to attach meaning to a Rihanna song or an Adele song and in many ways they'll be justified in doing so because the artists performed and/or composed those songs with a specific idea or emotion in mind. No one past the age of five will attach any meaning to Bob the Builder. It, like a lot of pop music from the late 90s onward (or, arguably, the 80s) has been created with a deliberate in built life span. It's entirely calculated on the part of the writer and the label.

Taste in music is always going to be subjective, but even with this in mind there will always be those who will craft deliberately unchallenging, bland pop music in order to make money/sell records/guarantee limited success. We should not treat all music the same.
 
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You like what you like but no X Factor winner or manafactured boy band ever changed anyones life. I would say Bob Dylan, Hendrix, Micheal Jackson and Nirvana did more for the common man than a lot of people did, just to name a few. That's what I'd define as good music, personally.
 
This thread reeks of rose tinted glasses, people harp back to the 60's and 70's as some golden era where chart music had some mystical integrity stop kidding yourselves there were hundreds of bands releasing copy cat sommercail rubish that nobody remembers hell the same can be said of classical music we remember the greats but there are thousands that nobody has ever heard of.

The OP harps back to two bands from the 90's but skillfully ignores the 100's of copycat artists releasing hours of rehashed junk on the coat tails of the successfull artists. Today is no different yes the music industry has changed but then it has been in continuous flux for 100 years give it ten years everyone wil remember the one or two really good artists from this decade and will moan that the new charts just don't match up to the great days of the past.
 
Yes we should.

So are my favourite bands like Led Zeppelin, Slayer, Metallica better than Cher Lloyd?
I wouldn't even dare to presume they were.

Some music IS better than others. That's just the way it is. Fence sitting gets you no where.

I'd say it is better, but as I said in my post: it's all subjective.

Either way, that's still missing the point. There is such a thing as disposable pop music that is created solely to shift numbers. Why do you think novelty tracks exist?
 
Yes we should.

So are my favourite bands like Led Zeppelin, Slayer, Metallica better than Cher Lloyd?
I wouldn't even dare to presume they were.

What do mean by better? What is the basis of you comparision?

If it's something technical, like musicanmanship, then clearly the former is better.
 
but if musicianship comes into it then you can rule out all the three chord guitar bands frm the 90's oasis included.

And don't forget all the 50s, 60's, 70s, 80s & 00s bands including one of the greatest bands ever (IMO) - The Ramones.

And if musicianship comes into it then everybody else is crap besides Tommy Emmanuel.
 
Greatest bands ever??? What about the Smiths, without whom there would have been no indie scene? I would also cite the Pogues as one of the best bands as Shane McGowan was a prolific song writer, frequently dubbed as a genius poet.
 
It's nostalgia. The 90's also brought us The Outhere Brothers, 2 Unlimited, Culture Beat, Scatman John and an absolute ton of other eurodance/chart orientated artists which time isn't being so kind to.

Oasis and Blur are part of the musical canon now, being played on rotation by radio worldwide and being further ingrained into the nation's consciousness.

Corona isn't.
 
It's almost as if some people think that every artist that was recording, and being played on the radio from the 50s until the late 90s is still famous and popular.
 
Music went wrong when they invented POP and may i add that pop is not technically a genre of music, it stands for popular. Any type of music can be popular. I blame the television for the fall of music in the mainstream. There are still excellent new bands and groups getting together, but they are not appreciated like some good bands were in their own time. But then there was also some good bands from the past that were also not appreciated in their own day. But mainstream wise there are more now than in the past, good groups or bands or individuals that are not appreciated as much. By mainstream I mean in the TV and liked by the majority of people.
 
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