Muslims, Pork, forced selling of

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[TW]Fox: How is that a double standard? The two animals are entirely different!

And to answer the chicken handling question, I would think it is not ok for a Muslim to do that. This is because the chicken would not be halal, and so the Muslim's duty would be to have no part in its sale.
 
Most British people eat pork. It would therefore be reasonable to assume that anyone working in the catering industry in Britain might be expected to handle pork. That being the case, why did they apply for the job? For goodness sake some people need to actually start taking responsibility for their own actions instead of always trying to blame someone else.
 
This is just another sign of the state this country is in. :(

The country is being ruined by the PC brigade as it is, without uproar about something that probably contains as much real pork as my trainers!


If they guy was being attacked by a pig, i'm pretty sure he'd handle the pork then
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They are just as wrong selling haram (opp to halal) chicken as they are selling pork. They probably sell alcohol on these trains too, which is also haram.

And it goes on. Because they sell haram good, their income is haram. So whatever they buy with their haram earnings is also haram. Which is the reason you'll see most muslim grocery stores not selling alcohol or tinned meats like spam or corned beef.

Pork may not have been on the menu when they started work, but they can't stop their emplyer from selling it now. And what about the other non-muslim employers, it's unfair on them if the emplyer stops selling pork. The sale of sausages and pork pies might bring in more customers and increase revenue. Which will secure their jobs, better bonuses and maybe more vacancies for more staff.

What would you do if you worked for an engineering company and your employer got a new contract for manufacturing landmines. Your job was to pack them with explosives and shrapnel. You work would be responsible for killing and maiming people. You could protest, company loses contarct, everyone loses their jobs. Or just resign.

They should just sell the stuff or resign. They know pork is commonly eaten in this country and they shouldn't be allowed to stop people from eating what they enjoy. Would be different if they were in a muslim country, but their not.
 
This is a tricky one. At the end of the day though, if you can't do the job you are being paid for, for whatever reason, then get another one.

If your religion says you can't do something, then don't do it. But don't tie up jobs with moaning and whinging when there are people who will do it. Anything else is selfishness.

-Dolph
 
very interesting set of opinions so far...

i think the main problem is that they were given no choice in the matter, they were not consulted they were just told.

Surely the employer could see reason here and not compel the guys to carry the "pork" products?

somone asked about chicken..they sell chicken sandwiches, but the chicken is halal chicken.
 
Originally posted by seaviewuk
very interesting set of opinions so far...

i think the main problem is that they were given no choice in the matter, they were not consulted they were just told.

Surely the employer could see reason here and not compel the guys to carry the "pork" products?

somone asked about chicken..they sell chicken sandwiches, but the chicken is halal chicken.
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I think the point that is being made in reference to the employer is, the company is a catering company,

Caterers in the U.K. (and therefore their staff) can normally expect to deal with meat products including pork (unless they are specialised company).

It's not really up to the employers to ask the employees when they wish to increase their product line.

When you sign on as a caterer you accept that you will be dealing with all sorts of food that is popular in the country you are working/living in.


If the company had previously been a vegiterian food only one, then the employees would have a reason to complain as the selling of pork would have been totally unexpected at the time of employment.
As it is, the employees knew that the company sold meat products of various types when they were employed, so adding a new meat product of a type popular in the U.K. should not be suprising.
 
Originally posted by seaviewuk
very interesting set of opinions so far...

i think the main problem is that they were given no choice in the matter, they were not consulted they were just told.

Why should the employer have to consult the employees on this sort of matter ?

Surely the employer could see reason here and not compel the guys to carry the "pork" products?

Why ? Surely this would lead to lower profits for the company, possible lower expansion and eventually hamper other people getting jobs.

somone asked about chicken..they sell chicken sandwiches, but the chicken is halal chicken.

Is it especially marked halal ?!? ive never seen this but am slightly curious. Are muslims happy with battery chickens and mass force feeding of chicks ?
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In the end its not really for the employees to decide what products their employers sell, even less so if its because of a beleif (omg how u spell that ?). If they dont like it get a new job.
 
I see it as the employer introducing the pork products and forcing them to sell them without taking their beliefs into consideration. It's nothing to do with being PC, it's not fair that this was suddenly put upon them and they can;'t be exempt as their way of life doesn't really allow it. They are hardly working in the catering industry, they took the job they could find and it didn't involve selling pork. It's nothing to do with having to expect you have to deal with any sort of meat when you sell food on a train. I don't see the problem with them being allowed to refuse to sell pork products and I hate the attitudes of some people here. Put yourselves in their position and you would want the same.
It's a change to their job that conflicts with their belief, the employer should have thought about that. Hell they can probably get sued but I think these guys would rather just keep their jobs less the pork. It's a simple little thing.
 
Originally posted by gurdas
I meant for the employer to ask the person who is applying at the job, surely its not hard?
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Same point - the pork is a new introduction to the range, the company may not have known they'd be selling pork at the time the staff were taken on.
 
Originally posted by seaviewuk
i think the main problem is that they were given no choice in the matter, they were not consulted they were just told.
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Why should they be given a choice? Their job is to push the trolley and sell food not make executive decisions about the product range - that's what management are for.

Can you imagine how difficult it would be if a business had to consult even the most menial members of staff before they could make any form of decision?

Note to PC Brigade: Menial refers to the job NOT the person.
 
Calling it part of the 'catering industry' may be taking it a little too far but there is no doubt that it is 'Food Retail'. I don't think that they have a leg to stand on. To sell pork products is a legitimate request of a Food Retailer in this country. If they feel that strongly about it then they shouldn't be working in this sector.
 
Fox it isn't consulting every employee about a decision it's making a decision about the product range and then being willing to be considerate if an employees way of life forbids doing such a thing. It's not them just saying they don't want to, their religion....their lfie doesn't really allow them to do that. It's a disability if you like and a minor one at that.
They aren't taking the **** or demanding anything huge, they find it hard to work and don't like a change that has been made as it calls their faith into question. The employer should have a responsibilty to be flexible to such a thing especially something so simple as selling pork pies. And I'm sure if they could get more work they would, they just should not get forced out of a job because of such a thing. Please put yourself in their position for a moment. They don't want much.
 
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