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but who says you havnt/didnt pass?
time on this earth does not justify learning/passing the test
therefore he is showing himself in creating us in his likeness
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but who says you havnt/didnt pass?
time on this earth does not justify learning/passing the test
therefore he is showing himself in creating us in his likeness
J
Caporegime
mujja i can understand where u are coming from....life is unfair at times...i dont know myself why we are given such a long arduous test...
thats something i cannot answer...i feel i havent got the creds to do it justice...but all i can say is that wot we experience now is a lot more easier than wot our prophets went thru but yet they survived their tests...
sometimes i do wonder liek u mujja why life is unfair...but thats they way Allah wanted to be....and he has given us the choice to follow the way of islam or not to...up to us at end of day....
ive made my choice...u ahve made urs my friend...for that i do respect ur choice...
thats something i cannot answer...i feel i havent got the creds to do it justice...but all i can say is that wot we experience now is a lot more easier than wot our prophets went thru but yet they survived their tests...sometimes i do wonder liek u mujja why life is unfair...but thats they way Allah wanted to be....and he has given us the choice to follow the way of islam or not to...up to us at end of day....
ive made my choice...u ahve made urs my friend...for that i do respect ur choice...
Soldato
were all equal...i dont no what it is with some ppl
Caporegime
Originally posted by Tupac_
were all equal...i dont no what it is with some ppl
yes tupac under islam all MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL UNDER GODS EYE..so to speak....
people have this stupid misconception that we muslims abuse our women...ummm we dont..its the people that like to twist our religion to make it seem like it is so...
islam gave rights to women long before the western world gave rights to women...centuries ago...but it does nark me off when i see muslim men treating their wives or women badly...
Soldato
i dunno why men r allowed to get away with beating a woman
Caporegime
thats becos they arent real men are they???...
anyone who beats a woman in my eyes is nothing but a coward....but again nowhere does it say we are allowed to beat our wives...we have certain rules in which we deal with so called 'naughty or bad' wives...
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err.. they're not.
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yep, it's against Islam to beat your wife.
Infact women in islam are given a higher status than men, ur mother is 3 times more important than father, ur wife is meant to held in a very high esteem etc
As has been said before, for us, and christians and jews too, this life is just a `test` to get to a better place, we are faced with with many obstacles, we are taught to live are lives fully but with keeping to few rules and regulations, its not that hard in all honesty. Also how do we know god has not already revealed himself, god works in misterious ways!
Good,bad,ugly what every u have done in this life u will get reward or punishment in this life too, its just sometimes were to blind to acknowledge this.
My faith is reasonably strong, i may not be the best muslim in the world, but my faith has got me through some very difficult times indeed.
This really annoys me tbh, these imams know there stuff fair enough, but kids in this country should be taught in english to make them understand and appreciate the religion, Imo actually muslim kids should be taught arabic before the koran, this way they are just not`reading` the koran as a book, they are understanding what is contained in it, i feel this would make us more enlightened and we could conduct ourselves in the correct manner and portray islam as a positive faith, rather than a backward one atm
As has been said before, for us, and christians and jews too, this life is just a `test` to get to a better place, we are faced with with many obstacles, we are taught to live are lives fully but with keeping to few rules and regulations, its not that hard in all honesty. Also how do we know god has not already revealed himself, god works in misterious ways!
Good,bad,ugly what every u have done in this life u will get reward or punishment in this life too, its just sometimes were to blind to acknowledge this.
My faith is reasonably strong, i may not be the best muslim in the world, but my faith has got me through some very difficult times indeed.
This really annoys me tbh, these imams know there stuff fair enough, but kids in this country should be taught in english to make them understand and appreciate the religion, Imo actually muslim kids should be taught arabic before the koran, this way they are just not`reading` the koran as a book, they are understanding what is contained in it, i feel this would make us more enlightened and we could conduct ourselves in the correct manner and portray islam as a positive faith, rather than a backward one atm
There it is. Thats what i always say. just forgot to mention it here.
Life is a test. Now some people say this is a long period of time to be tested. 75 years or so. Well this time that u spend on earth decides whether u go to heaven or hell for the eternity. Forever.
So life is short. Might aswell do good here for a certain number of years and spend the time after this happy.
The test was not just something God decided to create all of a sudden. Its kindof a bet between God and the Devil.
cant remember fully how it happened. It was something to do with satan not bowing down to prophet Adam.(i think that was the name). Anyway satan said he was better than Adam. And in the end God and satan decided they would see who could get more people into heaven or hell.
Theres a lot more to the story. As its all so complicated. I cant remember it.
Soldato
Just to add the Sikh view point on women, we believe everyone is equal. The concept that women are not important is wrong as it was women who gave birth to our Guru's, this one point proves that women have equal rights in society.
Its just the culture in India which has been brought on a little here is that women do all the work around the house, which still is the case when I visit my family in India, but men do a lot of the heavy duty work but not near as enough responsibility as women.
Its just the culture in India which has been brought on a little here is that women do all the work around the house, which still is the case when I visit my family in India, but men do a lot of the heavy duty work but not near as enough responsibility as women.
Soldato
Would you like to where this flameproof coat?
This has been a fascinating read and I will continue to keep reading.
Personally myself, I think that there is a greater being than myself somewhere, I don’t know what and I don’t know where, so I have no ‘set’ religion now but I was brought up a Christian and was taken to Sunday school every week, I lost all interest in religion in my teens, although I still highly respect peoples beliefs and chosen religions.
Can I ask a question, I am interested to know has anyone ever been to mecca, as part of their religion or as a spectator (if that is allowed), if so what are their thoughts and experiences.
Bobcat
Personally myself, I think that there is a greater being than myself somewhere, I don’t know what and I don’t know where, so I have no ‘set’ religion now but I was brought up a Christian and was taken to Sunday school every week, I lost all interest in religion in my teens, although I still highly respect peoples beliefs and chosen religions.
Can I ask a question, I am interested to know has anyone ever been to mecca, as part of their religion or as a spectator (if that is allowed), if so what are their thoughts and experiences.
Bobcat
Man of Honour
Living in Southall all my life (36yrs) I have so much that I'd like to add to this thread, but I'll try not to Growing up with Muslims, Seikhs, Hindus etc. has certainly broadened my horizons & a lot of them are still my friends & drinking buddies, yet still are faithfull to their religion But I must admit that with all the different faiths I've encountered here inc. Catholics & Protestants it's really put me off religion. I honestly feel that there are very few of the younger generation that 'play it by the book' nowadays, whichever book that may be. I know Muslims who fast for Ramadan yet get 'hammered' in my local at lunctime & quite a few chaps who'll get a kebab with me when it's forbidden. It seems to me as though a lot of religion, in this country, is just followed to keep the elders happy. Just my experiences of course...
Growing up with Muslims, Seikhs, Hindus etc. has certainly broadened my horizons & a lot of them are still my friends & drinking buddies, yet still are faithfull to their religion But I must admit that with all the different faiths I've encountered here inc. Catholics & Protestants it's really put me off religion. I honestly feel that there are very few of the younger generation that 'play it by the book' nowadays, whichever book that may be. I know Muslims who fast for Ramadan yet get 'hammered' in my local at lunctime & quite a few chaps who'll get a kebab with me when it's forbidden. It seems to me as though a lot of religion, in this country, is just followed to keep the elders happy. Just my experiences of course...
Man of Honour
Originally posted by JohnnyG
Living in Southall all my life (36yrs) I have so much that I'd like to add to this thread, but I'll try not to
It's true. Through Ramadan you can't smoke, the Asian guys in our office all seem to come down with a cold 2 days before which apparently excludes them from having to take part. Miraculously recover after it's over too...
Originally posted by JohnnyG
Living in Southall all my life (36yrs) I have so much that I'd like to add to this thread, but I'll try not to
you live in southall
What part?
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Caporegime
well i havent been but my grandparents have been and a few of my mates have been as well and to say it is the THE most awe inspiring to ever come across in ur life as a muslim is the biggets understatement...i do intend to go when i have the money which hopefully will be next yr with my family...
as for being a spectator...sorry nope u r not allowed to be a spectator...as far as Mecca is concerned it IS ONLY for muslims and it shall remain that way forever time etc....non muslims are not even allowed to enter the city...
As far as experiences one of my very good mates went a few yrs ago and told me things that really surprised me and put me in awe of my religion...he said it isnt something that you can describe..its a feeling....and from wot i can tell it really did move him to the core of his being....thats why i say that when i go it will truly be a moving experience...
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